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Yggdrasil is an experimental compact routing scheme that is fully decentralised by doener

Yggdrasil is an experimental compact routing scheme that is fully decentralised by doener

Yggdrasil is an experimental compact routing scheme that is fully decentralised by doener

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  • Post Author
    gnabgib
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 12:04 am

    Recently popular:

    5 months ago (324 points, 107 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42155780

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  • Post Author
    orbisvicis
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 12:44 am

    Is firewalling the yggdrasil adapter susceptible to IP spoofing?

  • Post Author
    gerdesj
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 12:57 am

    Some of us are old enough to remember a Linux distro called Yggdrasil. It was my first but certainly not my last.

    Does this thing involve a MAC address?

  • Post Author
    kachapopopow
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 1:05 am

    Why do I remember minecraft using yggdrasil at some point. Maybe just a name clash of a java library.

  • Post Author
    api
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 1:27 am

    The challenge with these schemes is always making them robust against intentional attacks.

    It’s hard enough to do that for centrally regulated systems. There are whole giant companies like Cloudflare that mostly exist to do that.

    With a fully decentralized mesh if someone finds a working attack there is no good way to coordinate a response.

    Small hobby and research nets can get away with that, but if anything like this ever got popular or even close to mainstream it would be destroyed. This is especially true if there were any way to make money by ruining it.

  • Post Author
    bawolff
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 1:35 am

    Is there a paper somewhere explaining their system in detail?

  • Post Author
    easygenes
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 2:23 am

    If this is interesting to you, there's also a new edge mesh protocol which would dovetail into it well called MeshCore. MeshCore is LoRa and MCU focused, works at L2. Ygg is L3 and could run at e.g. your LoRa SBC gateway to provide seamless global distribution of edge mesh chats and sensor relays.

    https://github.com/ripplebiz/MeshCore
    https://youtu.be/fNWf0Mh2fJw
    https://chatgpt.com/share/681c281f-0a24-8011-8ec9-6d58ce3db0…

  • Post Author
    cyberax
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 2:49 am

    Interesting. There's a fundamental vulnerability in mesh routing: you either have to control addressing, or a malicious actor can flood the network topology with bogus data.

    Just imagine somebody generating 10000000000 addresses and flooding everybody with that information.

    It looks like Yggdrasil doesn't address (ha) this vulnerability? It kinda side-steps it by requiring enrollment through an already trusted node?

  • Post Author
    getcrunk
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 2:50 am

    Mesh/decentralized networks seem poised to finally take off and become widespread. Unfortunately I don’t think it will be in the form of a cyber utopia free of control but a tool of power and surveillance, networking ai powered robots (swarm based weapons) and other smart things

  • Post Author
    pharos92
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 2:58 am

    Shortest path is fundamentally problematic in networks. The shortest path isn't always the best path.

    The shortest path might be a 1Mbps link with high latency. The 'best' path might be several 100Mbps links with low latency chain together.

  • Post Author
    Calliope1
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 3:08 am

    Yggdrasil: A decentralized, self-healing, cryptographically addressed network of the future?

    It’s redefining what “being connected” means — no ISPs, no central config, fully peer-organized routing, and resilient to constant topology shifts.

    The real question:
    If Yggdrasil can scale to real-world mesh networks, do we still need the traditional internet backbone?
    Or… could it become the true foundation for edge computing?

  • Post Author
    dhaavi
    Posted May 8, 2025 at 5:21 am

    I was intrigued by Yggdrasil, so much that I built a similar network, also using concepts of other networks in that realm.

    It uses a logical world map for improved address space allocation and routing as well as source routing. Private non-routable addresses for better privacy are planned.

    https://mycoria.org

    It will see more development over the next years, as I will be using it in an upcoming project.

    Happy to answer any questions you have here.

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