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Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account by nickthegreek

Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account by nickthegreek

Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account by nickthegreek

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  • Post Author
    ranger_danger
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:53 pm

    Anyone know if this comment on the article is actually true?

    – Select Organization

    – Select Sign In Options

    – Choose Domain Join

    – Create a username and leave the password blank.

    – You'll be logged into Windows without a Microsoft account!

  • Post Author
    jwoglom
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:54 pm

    > We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account.

    "enhancing security and user experience" — what a ridiculous, bold-faced lie. Bravo Microsoft.

  • Post Author
    ivanjermakov
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:55 pm

    After rolling the update that unintentionally uninstalled Copilot, they're back at net negative "upgrades".

  • Post Author
    mholt
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:56 pm

    How can you set up / use Windows without an Internet connection? Surely that's not an unsupported use case anymore, is it? There's gotta be plenty of places where Internet connectivity is not available or is restricted.

  • Post Author
    lousken
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:56 pm

    Enhanced security, if you connect your device to the internet.
    Can they at least stop bullshitting? It's shameful

  • Post Author
    LinuxBender
    Posted March 28, 2025 at 11:59 pm

    Is this loophole the method used by Rufus when burning images that add options to skip Microsoft account, TPM checks, etc…?

  • Post Author
    qwerpy
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:03 am

    What is MS's motivation to push so strongly to have everyone on a Microsoft account? I really hope it's not primarily so that they can more effectively target your computer for ads. Or upsell some service subscriptions.

  • Post Author
    downrightmike
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:04 am

    They are just determined to lose all retail users

  • Post Author
    486sx33
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:05 am

    Somewhat related and mentioned in the article. New to me.
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/11/23913107/microsoft-windo…

  • Post Author
    diego_sandoval
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:06 am

    What are you supposed to do if you have no Internet connectivity? You basically have a brick on your hands until you can connect it to the Internet? That's ridiculous.

  • Post Author
    DecentShoes
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:09 am

    The best marketing campaign for Linux, is Windows 11.

  • Post Author
    NotYourLawyer
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:10 am

    Windows 7 was legitimately pretty good. It’s been downhill ever since.

  • Post Author
    tapoxi
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:10 am

    I have a recent (2024) Gigabyte AMD motherboard and Windows 11 refuses to recognize the Ethernet NIC or onboard wifi. I can't load the drivers during setup either because they're .exe installers and it wants .inf files or something.

    I got mad and installed Fedora Kinoite, which somehow just worked out of the box. My games all worked too.

    I've been mulling over installing a Windows partition for the inevitable game with anti-cheat I'd like to play (Battlefield) but insanely hostile shit like this has made me reconsider.

  • Post Author
    MrMcCall
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:13 am

    I've been skipping dealing with a MS id every day for coming up on seven years now :-) and I had been (ab)using OpenBSD for a few years before that, so it's been a nice long hiatus.

    I do, however, miss the early F# on WinXpPro64, having bought the Pro install version a million years ago for a clean install, using it for quite a few years on an early q6600, I'd love to be able to fire up one of my boot disk images into a no-network VM subnet from those years, maybe even creating network drives to connect and disconnect to in order to migrate files to and from. It was fully registered and current, with up-to-date service packs and everything, and quite a bit of nice MS dev software as well, and nicely stripped down by cannonballing down into the registry morass and tweaking as many sections as possible over the years.

    Any clues on which modern 64bit linux or BSD would allow it to boot and run and as a functioning MS instance to run old-school commandline F# fsi.exe, including the recompiled one I made a tiny prompt change to? [That was some high-nerd-reward spelunking that I never really took advantage of.]

    Maybe QEMU?

    I loved the commandline interactivity; I had built up quite a suite of code to do some slick processing using F#'s mind-blowing pipe operator.

    Anyway, AtDhVaAnNkCsE, and Happy Friday, all.

  • Post Author
    transcriptase
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:13 am

    Since there’s a good chance someone involved will read this, I mean this in the most sincere way possible and I hope you take it to heart:

    Just fuck off.

  • Post Author
    MarkusWandel
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:13 am

    Last time I activated a Windows 11 system, I had already entered my Wifi credentials, and then couldn't find any way out of the online account trap. Eventually backed out far enough, deleted my wifi credentials again, forward again and created a local account. Have they closed that loophole too, i.e you can't activate it at all without cloud connectivity?

    Another question, once you've activated it with an online account, is it possile to then create another local user and simply use that?

  • Post Author
    lofaszvanitt
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:15 am

    How come the EU do not kick MS back into the stone age for shenanigans like these?

    Does using a yubikey instead of a password works in that heap of shitpile? Or we need to wait for that another 10+ years?

  • Post Author
    MarkusWandel
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:16 am

    Oh, another M$ account creation trick. When they discontinued Skype they said you could just log into Teams with your Skype credentials. Not so! That just forces you to enter an email address (that's not already associated with a M$ account) and guess what.. now you have ANOTHER M$ account. After this the Skype credentials are invalidated.

  • Post Author
    fumufumufumu
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:26 am

    Aren't they just following Apple? Technically you can use an iPhone and Mac without an Apple (iCloud) account but it's pretty dang unsupported except for corp devices. If I recall correctly you can't install anything from the app store on an Mac/iPhone without an Apple account. On Mac you can run other stuff without an account. You can't on iPhone. You'd need XCode, XCode you can only get from the App Store or possibly from the developer site, Both the App store and the developer site require an account.

    I'm not saying it's good, but I'd be curious how many non-corp users are using a Mac without an Apple account.

    My current Windows box, Windows 11 Pro (forgot the version names). I setup an account registered with MS to get it installed. Then set up a separate user account, not registered with MS. I use that 2nd account for everything. I haven't logged into the first account in years.

  • Post Author
    rvba
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:26 am

    Windows 11 taskbar has space… for 11 icons when run on a laptop screen.

    This is killing my (and maaaany others) productivity since in some jobs you constantly need to switch between multiple windows.

    Yea, extrnal programs exist, but they can br buggy, cost extra money on top… and good luck installing them on a coporate computer.

    Ive seen like 20-30 people with the same problem: taskbar being useless. Windows 11 is bad at switching windows.

    The taskbar cant even highlight the active window since everything is "graphically flat" too

  • Post Author
    gavinhoward
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:28 am

    So I have Windows 10, and I was not looking forward to the "upgrade" to 11 at 10's EOL because of the TPM requirement.

    With this change, I have decided to accept the insecurity of not updating and stick with 10. The only thing I do on Windows is ensure my FOSS is cross-platform.

  • Post Author
    inatreecrown2
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:29 am

    Why do this? It was already a loophole that most users would never know of or care about using, but it is essential for a small core user base that cares about how they set up their systems. This cannot be a good business decision.

  • Post Author
    zb3
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:30 am

    > We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience

    I completely agree with this. By making Windows insufferable you're enhancing security and user experience by making users switch to Linux, which is superior in that regard. Well done, Microsoft.

  • Post Author
    edgarvaldes
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:33 am

    I actively avoid using a MS account on my local Windows machines. Until last week when I logged into Teams and Windows activated that account as the Windows account on the next boot. The problem is: I was using my wife's laptop. I dunno how to remove the account without creating more problems.

  • Post Author
    WD-42
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:33 am

    Windows set up is actually insane, I did it in a VM recently to test my app on Windows. I would say not only does it require a Microsoft account but you also have to agree to (at least) 3 EULAs about sharing/selling your data that are unskippable. Pretty sure it also makes you set your ad preferences.

    Absolutely insane for an OS, I don't know how people put up with it as a daily driver.

  • Post Author
    zeeebo
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:35 am

    I was banking on Windows 11 being a skip version but Windows 12 will probably be just as bad. Windows 10 forever then!

  • Post Author
    NKosmatos
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:36 am

    Another stupid move by M$. No wonder the market share of Win11 is still below Win10. IMHO WinXP, 7 and 10 were the best ones. A billion dollar behemoth like M$ should know better ;-)

    Windows market share:
    https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desk…

  • Post Author
    nrp
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:37 am

    This is made worse by Windows 11 retail images being years behind on Wi-Fi drivers. We recommend to customers to use Rufus to create Windows USB installers to bypass the network requirements because Windows 11 doesn’t come with functioning drivers for any of the last few generations of Wi-Fi cards we use.

  • Post Author
    jmward01
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:47 am

    I'm not sure I would start a job that required me to use Windows at this point much less install it on anything in my home.

  • Post Author
    zeroq
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:52 am

    At the same time my graphics card asks me to log in with my facebook account to download an update.

  • Post Author
    loeg
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 12:59 am

    After that brief golden era of Windows 10 not absolutely sucking, Microsoft is taking the bold stance of making Windows even worse, again.

  • Post Author
    defrost
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:08 am

    Chris Titus and many volunteers have created an open script powershell application that allows modification of most aspects of windows complete with popup help, references, forums, etc.

    The "MicroWin" tab allows users to create their own Windows Install disk image version from the official releases .. giving you the reusable install disk of your choosing .. w/out microsoft accounts, telemetry, etc.

    https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

    https://christitus.com/windows-utility-improved/

  • Post Author
    quickslowdown
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:11 am

    I really did need a kick in the ass to get Linux on the last machine in my house not running it. I know people say this all the time, I have my own excuses for why I still have 1 windows machine, but it truly just isn't worth it anymore.

  • Post Author
    driggs
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:16 am

    I had to install Windows 11 on a laptop last year, for the first time since win2k. I managed to dodge the online Microsoft account and create a local account, and was proud of myself…

    And the installer asks "Enter your name", so I enter "Firstname Lastname".

    Now my $HOME directory is `C:UsersFirstname Lastname` with a space character in it!

    Ironically, the whole point of the Windows machine was to install ESRI's ArcGIS Pro, which literally cannot handle spaces in filepaths in the year 2025, so I can't reference data or projects from my user's home directory.

  • Post Author
    pentagrama
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:24 am

    Ok and some questions.

    You can create a Microsoft account with an alias/temp email and fake data? Or phone verification is required?

    And later remove the Microsoft account from the system and switch to a local account?

  • Post Author
    ziml77
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:25 am

    They better give me a way to select my local username then. I always create my user account without an MS account first because the times when I created my Windows account from my MS account it named my user directory as my first name with the final letter missing. It's not even a long name!

  • Post Author
    anonymousiam
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:36 am

    So how will the air-gapped customers use their Windows 11 computers? Has Microsoft decided to abandon their OS sales to governments and security researchers?

  • Post Author
    cozzyd
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 1:58 am

    This is going to suck for setting up shared lab laptops…

  • Post Author
    dvno42
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 2:05 am

    So is this Microsoft account requirement a 'home' version thing? I can't imagine they would force this on pro installations. Unattended installs, kiosks, ATMs, display walls, etc. would be a nightmare to deal with this.

  • Post Author
    jemmyw
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 2:12 am

    How do you provision a Windows machine that isn't tied to a person? I've been using the bypass way for laptops used by sports clubs.

    I'd like to switch to using Linux but I haven't been able to overcome some packaging and performance issues yet.

  • Post Author
    adham-omran
    Posted March 29, 2025 at 2:42 am

    The last 3 times I installed Windows 11 _and_ used an account were a nightmare as for some reason, Microsoft would disable my account for logging in during an install… I avoid Windows like the plague but it's the only place where I can use my audio virtual instruments (No audio production in VMs and I don't own Apple hardware and it'd be ironic for the Windows setup to push me to get an Apple device…)

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