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We can, must, and will simulate nematode brains by l1n

We can, must, and will simulate nematode brains by l1n

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    James_K
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 3:34 pm

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    James_K
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 3:39 pm

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    brap
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 3:44 pm

    I sometimes wonder about being able to fully simulate a human brain. Maybe even scan/copy a real person’s brain.

    So many philosophical, ethical and legal questions. And unsettling possibilities.

    We will probably have to deal with this someday.

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    quantum_state
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    What does it exactly mean by “simulating” a brain?

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    interroboink
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 4:00 pm

    The author makes a good point that it's important to define what "a good simulation" means.

    On one extreme, we cannot even solve the underlying physics equations for single atoms beyond hydrogen, let alone molecules, let alone complex proteins, etc. etc. all the way up to cells and neuron clusters. So that level of "good" seems enormously far off.

    On the other hand, there are lots of useful approximations to be made.

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is it a duck?

    If it squidges like a nematode and squirms like a nematode, is it a [simulation of a] nematode?

    (if it talks like a human and makes up answers like a human, is it a human? ;)

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    RotationPedant
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    [dead]

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    warpech
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 4:06 pm

    Such a beautiful magazine design. Does anyone have recommendations for more skillfully designed online magazines, blogs, etc?

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    afh1
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 4:29 pm

    >In 2013, neuroscientist Henry Markram secured about 1 billion euros from the European Union to "simulate the human brain" — a proposal widely deemed unrealistic even at the time. The project faced significant challenges and ultimately did not meet its ambitious yet vague goals

    Ah, so this is where 45% of my salary goes.

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    palata
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 4:52 pm

    > This represents the next phase in human evolution, freeing our cognition and memory from the limits of our organic structure. Unfortunately, it’s also a long way off.

    I'm actually happy it's a long way off. Feels like the richer humans would live with cheat codes, and the others wouldn't.

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    Isamu
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 5:03 pm

    It’s all fun and games until the Nematodes achieve singularity and it’s Skynet

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    cabirum
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 5:03 pm

    I'm afraid a neuron may not be a logic gate with synapses serving as inputs/outputs and behaving exactly the same on every activation.

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    dj_axl
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 5:10 pm

    Just wire neurons (human or otherwise) to computers, and see what happens.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2025-03-05/cortical-labs…

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    jl6
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 5:21 pm

    cf. the philosophical zombie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

    We really have no idea whether consciousness is something that can arise from computation, or whether it is somehow dependent on the physical substrate of the universe. Maybe we can create a virtual brain that, from the outside, is indistinguishable from a physical brain, and which will argue vociferously that it is a real person, and yet experiences no more conscious qualia than an equation written on a piece of paper.

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    nycticorax
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 5:42 pm

    HN discussion of a related recent story in Wired magazine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43490290

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    ljouhet
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 6:39 pm

    Isn't it the goal of https://openworm.org/ ?

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    koerding2
    Posted April 1, 2025 at 6:45 pm

    Maybe the longer writeup we put out with Michael as co-author helps add some useful extra details:
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.06578

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