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Thoughts on Daylight Computer by 3r7j6qzi9jvnve

Thoughts on Daylight Computer by 3r7j6qzi9jvnve

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  • Post Author
    3r7j6qzi9jvnve
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 3:43 am

    (not mine) was just checking what became of them and this review hit home

    I have no use for an android tablet like this, but as soon as they make a PC screen (either laptop or desktop) I'm pretty sure I'd buy one fast! Keep it up folks!

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    abdullahkhalids
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 5:38 am

    About 9 months ago, they promised that they will unlock the bootloader so one can install and run linux on it [1]. Hoping this happens soon.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459958

  • Post Author
    krupan
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 6:30 am

    I've had a DC-1 for a few months now and this review sums it up nicely. The one thing I'd say was missed is that you actually can assign actions to the extra physical buttons with apps like Key Mapper

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    Shank
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 7:02 am

    > For some reason every bluetooth keyboard I have tried so far glitches every so often and sends double or triple keys or occasionally the same key a couple dozen times with no way to stop it from happening.

    This would make the device unusable to me. I wonder if others have had the same issue? Fundamentally, I need typing to be reliable. I guess this probably doesn’t happen via USB keyboards?

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    ikari_pl
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 7:20 am

    It reassures me that going with an Onyx Boox Tab Pro was the better choice. Full e-ink, not e-Paper, but still can switch to a mode where you could, if you want, watch a movie. Backlight is not crazy orange, it's what you want (warmth controlled separately from brightness). Ignores hand when you use the stylus, or at least, uses hands gestures for different things than the stylus and I never had the issue. Bluetooth keyboard works OK.
    And it's Android (that's a plus for me, you have good software variety), with Google Services.

  • Post Author
    Animats
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 8:12 am

    From the picture, it has the low-contrast look of an older E-ink display.
    Here's a higher-contrast E-ink display.[1]

    There are also emissive display laptops brighter than 1000 nits, which is about where they become sunlight-readable. Battery life might be a problem.

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GKVM94N1F6E

  • Post Author
    sneak
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 8:36 am

    Every time I read something like this it strikes me as so incredibly odd that people are into sunlight.

    For me, direct sunlight is a 100% negative experience. It’s physically dangerous to skin, generally unhealthy if you aren’t Vitamin D deficient, extremely bright, causes wild temperature flux throughout normal working hours, etc.

    I have spent a lot of time and a fair bit of money making sure natural sunlight never reaches the places I regularly work and sleep. I would live deep underground if I could. The incessant changes in light, temperature, humidity (even indoors) are a constant annoyance that must be compensated for.

    It’s a wonder to me that anyone enjoys such experiences.

  • Post Author
    est
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 8:59 am

    rlcd display panels are coming this year. Looking foward to buy one.

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    jgrahamc
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 9:20 am

    I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

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    AlanYx
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 11:42 am

    One thing about the DC-1 that this piece doesn't mention is the graininess of the display. It's not resolution-related… on a pure white background the display looks slightly speckled, like it has some film grain. I find this impairs readability of small text. (Matte and nano texture displays on many devices often have some degree of graininess on pure white, but it's more prominent on the DC-1 than I'm used to.) Perhaps it's related to the Wacom layer rather than the RLCD tech itself, I'm not sure.

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    Certified
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 12:09 pm

    Whatever happened to the transflective lcds that were popular in carputers in the 2000s? They seem to be a perfect fit for a tablet and I have been puzzled that no one has jumped on using them in one.

    from the transflective wikipedia page [1]

    "A transflective liquid-crystal display is a liquid-crystal display (LCD) with an optical layer that reflects and transmits light (transflective is a portmanteau of transmissive and reflective). Under bright illumination (e.g. when exposed to daylight) the display acts mainly as a reflective display with the contrast being constant with illuminance. However, under dim and dark ambient situations the light from a backlight is transmitted through the transflective layer to provide light for the display. The transflective layer is called a transflector. It is typically made from a sheet polymer. It is similar to a one-way mirror but is not specular."

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_d…

  • Post Author
    rtpg
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 12:19 pm

    Regarding the comment about using the laptop in a hammock… I really wish I could have some sort of keyboard that was “good for typing” but that I could just hold onto in my hands. Many times I would like to type something up, but don’t want a computer on my lap.

    Just something shaped like some cylinders to grip yet somehow are able to piggyback on existing touch typing knowledge sounds cool to me (but might be unreasonably heavy or something)

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    Gracana
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 12:41 pm

    > scrolling, panning, videos, gifs. It all feels as it should

    Is it really that good?

    Okay, I found a video… Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeIw9rXzUQ

    Very expensive right now, too much to impulse buy, and the OS is not what I want. I would like a chunky little laptop with this display tech.

  • Post Author
    spondyl
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 1:00 pm

    I really enjoy my DC-1 but after a quick skim, I didn't notice any mention of the screen's ability to scratch.

    I took mine in a backpack up to my parents place and apparently something lightly caused a scratch on the screen so now I just have a permanent little gouge.

    Thankfully I've learned to ignore it over time but yeah, don't assume it's as indestructible as a lot of screens.

    The DC-1 does/did ship with a padded cover which makes me think it doubled as the engineering fix for when/if they realised that might be an issue.

  • Post Author
    circuit10
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 1:33 pm

    Random idea: could someone make a display like this for the Framework laptop?

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    steveBK123
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 1:42 pm

    I've got one coming my way hopefully in next 2 months..

    I kind of see it similarly to this review – a new category of device and not quite a 1-1 replacement of anything I have.

    I have reluctantly owned Kindles & iPads since v1 of each, and don't particularly like either.

    For me the iPad is always the 2nd (or 3rd) best device – if I'm seated indoors at a table or sofa, a MacBook is better.. if I'm on the go, a big iPhone is better.. if I am doing book length reading, a kindle is better. I can go a week or three without picking up my iPad. I find the OS annoyingly close to being a proper mini MacOS that never quite gets close enough in terms of multitasking/etc. It almost would be better by not trying to do so many things.

    That said I find Kindles to be the worst tech product I regularly use, hands down. It's good for reading books in bed, thats basically it. But its so much better at that, I use it daily.

    All the notetaking/highlighting/sharing functionality is garbage. Attempts to download/purchase more books on it are clunky enough I just wait til I'm back at phone/desktop. It also has the most bizarre ad targeting showing me content I would never read despite having nearly 20 years of my reading history.

    I've even tried the Remarkable (v1) for a couple years as a work note-taking device.

    So I'm hoping the Daylight solves the "3rd device" issue a bit better, but tbd.
    Light computing, mostly for reading, plus some light note taking, touch & keyboard, better battery life and a screen that works outdoors.

  • Post Author
    cbm-vic-20
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 1:55 pm

    Since I couldn't find a link anywhere, available for preorder for US$729:

    https://daylightcomputer.com/

  • Post Author
    jboggan
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 2:37 pm

    I have the Fintie case he mentioned and it does work very nicely.

    I love my Daylight so far but I received it right at the end of the season that I would want to be working outside. Spring is just around the corner here in Georgia so I am looking forward to putting it to work in the wifi-enabled woods behind my barn office.

    It's very good though and latency is good enough to watch Broodwar videos on YouTube and still enjoy the content (though of course the colors are off).

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