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The Housing Theory of Everything (2021) by lifeisstillgood

The Housing Theory of Everything (2021) by lifeisstillgood

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  • Post Author
    klipt
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 1:53 am

    Henry George wrote about this a hundred years ago in Progress and Poverty! His solution: a tax on land (not buildings) to encourage building up. Economists say it's one of the most efficient taxes possible.

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    ty6853
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 1:54 am

    Trades licensing, tightening codes, inspections,zoning, inspection, planning, environmental regulation, and water/well shenanigans are the reason for unaffordable housing. Plenty of cheap land near jobs, land not a meaningful constraint.

    By bypassing most all these and DIYing a house I was able to build a house for well under 100/sqft.

  • Post Author
    tptacek
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 2:15 am

    These are the macro effects of housing. I buy all of them. I'm a housing activist involved in local politics in Oak Park, IL (one of Chicago's two equivalents of Berkeley or Brooklyn, the suburb of Evanston being the other). Some micro/local impacts of housing restriction:

    * Retail business stagnation; retail is dependent on foot traffic, and SFZ residents do not understand what it takes to support the kinds of businesses (yoga studies, coffee shops, art galleries, bookshops) that they actually want to see sited near them. The result is that city plans for commercial corridors create near-blighted streets with gas stations, vacant lots, and the occasional nail salon or Domino's Pizza.

    * Public safety issues; those same underutilized commercial drags are dead once the sun goes down; without people walking on the streets, nobody's watching, and you can see on a map clearly where crime gravitates.

    * Escalating property taxes; lots of people want to retire in the same community they spent their adult lives in, but in an overwhelmingly SFZ muni with good schools, the top bidder on any residential lot is a family with school-aged children. Schools make up over half (in our case, 2/3) of the property tax burden, and it gets worse as the demographics shift more and more to school-aged families who move out when their kids graduate high school; housing diversity could give retirees an economically rational place to move (and remain in the tax base), but we outlaw it.

    The problem with all this stuff is you start to sound like a crank, because almost every problem a typical urban muni faces will probably stem from many generations of outlawing housing.

  • Post Author
    Apreche
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 2:18 am

    I would tell the same story, but the root issue is cars. Housing density would have remained high if not for car dominance.

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    mlsu
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:06 am

    The key is to not focus on the money. The money flows in one direction, but the economy (things that people choose to do; where they spend their time, how they get around, etc) flows in the other direction. In some sense, money is a symbol which represents real economic activity.

    From there. Looking at just the real life things that are happening and deliberately leaving out any mention of money:

    – there aren't enough places for people to live near jobs. Employers have a hard time finding workers, because workers can't afford to live nearby. Productivity suffers.

    – people have to spend a long time commuting to their job, which means they spend a lot of time in their cars. Big waste of time!

    – the housing that is out there, is very old and not suitable for many people. People who should be living alone in a small studio take roommates and live in a single family home, because there is no inventory of studios for them. People's lives are worse because of this, their built environment isn't what they want it to be.

    – people who want to start a family and live in a small house on their own, can't. the only houses they build are too large for what new families need. So people delay starting a family, because the housing that should be there isn't there for them. Fewer kids.

    – because it's hard to find places to live, people are less mobile. when they find a place, they hold onto it longer, even if it's suboptimal for their situation. So people stick around even if it sucks, because there's nothing better out there.

    – places that have prestige jobs see the bottom % pushed out because there's only room for top % employees. Those places get "hollowed out" with the bottom % taking long commutes or living in suboptimal conditions to be near the top %. Social segregation, which leads to cultural disconnects.

    – parents don't have a place to go once their children are grown up and have moved out. Our built infrastructure doesn't suit them. So they stay put and get lonely.

    – because everyone has to drive to work and can't walk, small businesses that depend on foot traffic don't work any more. Big businesses with office parks and the money to build parking lots in suburbs have the commercial advantage, so they prevail.

    etc etc.

    Completely removing the whole concept of "money" from the conversation, makes it abundantly clear that we are making bad choices about our built infrastructure, over and over again, to all society's detriment.

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    4fterd4rk
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:16 am

    The NIMBY people know what they're doing. They know that restricting the supply of housing is bad for society. They don't care because it is good for their own personal financial position.

    I'm sick of these posts thinking that these people are stupid and if we could just explain to them the consequences of their actions this would all be fixed. No. They KNOW. It is intentional.

  • Post Author
    freen
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:36 am

    The “screw you, I got mine” culture is killing us.

    People who bought houses enabled by zoning changes refuse to allow zoning changes that will increase the price of their own home because why?

    Racism and a fundamental failure to understand economics.

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    notepad0x90
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:39 am

    There is no shortage of land, there is a shortage of efficient transportation. All this talk of building up and creative ideas around housing is great but the ultimate problem is transportation. To solve the problem of housing in LA, a person should be able to live in Reno,Nevada and work somewhere in Santa Monica, CA. I'm not saying I have a solution, I'm just pointing out the problem domain.

    The US does not have modern transportation infrastructure like similarly sized countries like China. Generally speaking, housing is built near bodies of water or alongside transportation towards bodies of water. Even issues like NIMBYism can be resolved by constructing underground bullet trains that won't affect appearances. This is a hard problem, but not an unsolvable problem. It isn't just economies of scale, government investment, clever economic strategies,etc.. that are needed but actual revolutions in construction technology and transportation. Timelines for construction that are only few years not decades. But alas, I fear the politics of these days would not allow for this.

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    matt3210
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:42 am

    Those holding the homes have an interest in making the problem worse. Those buying homes make the assumption of the problem getting worse. Those who complain about the cost will reverse their position when they buy.

    The issue is that everyone involved wants the problem to get worse.

  • Post Author
    bbor
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:44 am

       `I.i` the San Francisco Bay Area – probably the most productive place in the Western world
    

    That is absurd. Beyond absurd — insulting. Every day I only feel more shame for being associated with Silicon Valley, because of how arrogant the culture has become…

      `I.ii` In the 1960s, it was commonplace that a middle class single-earner American or British family would be able to afford a comfortable home.
    

    This is such a common fallacious belief the author doesn't even think to cite it. That's very relatable, but regardless it should be called out: home ownership was rarer in 1965[1].

      `I.iii` These prices range from about twice to four times the cost of building new homes of equivalent specification. This wedge, between build costs and house prices, is a rough proxy for how much extra cost is being driven by restrictions on new building.
    

    I'm sure we can all agree that streamlining housing bureaucracy should've been a priority in the US, but this super-simple picture is misleading, IMO. Regulations are the first layer of friction, but they cover up real conflicts/costs/externalities; simply removing all regulations on housing production would destroy San Francisco's famous skyline and unique architecture, for one.

    Ultimately this quote represents the core of my problem with this (well written, relatable!) piece: it's discussing capitalism without mentioning capitalists. A huge part of housing costs are tied to corporate monopolization and rent-seeking, not just red tape.

      `I.iv` By contrast, almost every other household product has become better and less expensive since then.
    

    Housing is considered a service by the Fed (I guess because it requires construction workers?), so this is less surprising than it's framed here; services have all gotten more expensive as goods have gotten cheaper. See Section 3/Chart 4 here: https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/0…

      `II.i` This means that many people are working in less productive jobs than they could if it was easier for them to move to more productive places.
    

    Very true — as I said, the underlying impetus is very relatable! This is exactly why we were in such desperate need for reliable, cheap mass transit outside of NYC and DC. Luckily, WFH is something of a hack here.

       `II.ii` Sheer size is not all that matters, because complementarity between workers matters even more – a skilled software engineer will likely increase her income more by moving to Berlin (population: 4.4 million) than to Mexico City (population: 21 million).
    

    …because Germany is richer, not because they're nerdier. I really want to like this article, but it almost seems to be intentionally ignoring the inequalities created by capitalism + nationalism.

      `II.iii` By historical and global standards, today’s most successful cities in America and other Western countries are astonishingly sparsely populated and sprawling... The main cause of this is regulations that ban buildings that make better use of the land. 
    

    Again: c'mon. The fact that the word "automobile" doesn't appear in this paragraph isn't an omission, it's a fatal flaw to the entire point. We've known the effect of cars on urban density since 1939[2].

      `II.iv` According to one study[3]... [if productivity of labor is vastly different across cities, output can in principle be increased by expanding employment in high productivity cities at the expense of low productivity cities]
    

    That is a very questionable hypothesis; AFAIU, they're saying that doubling the population of San Jose would double the GDP generated by the city. IMO That's a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes rich cities rich.

    I'll cut my rant here — the inequality section is interesting (love a Henry George reference!), even if I don't buy the final "…because of regulations" point. And he does get around to mentioning cars in the obesity & climate change sections! And this is downright fascinating: "radically localized democracy that allows individual streets to opt in to greater density by voting for it"

    Sorry for clogging the thread a bit, I hope someone finds my rants a bit helpful. John (and Ben and Sam and Kade!!), if you're here: I love the writing, I share your goals, but I think you need to be a bit more careful when everything seems to be fitting together so neatly. If regulation is the core of inequality, I don't think this article will prove it to many people.

    [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N

    [2] Lewis Mumford's The City, 1939 — start around 16:00 for the ~4min section on cars. https://youtu.be/7nuvcpnysjU?si=WJWmIGWxZ1fwIsi5&t=960

    [3] https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/mac.20170388

  • Post Author
    jmyeet
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 3:46 am

    These problems stem from private property. That is, we allow the hoarding of a basic necessity (ie shelter) and we treat housing as an investment vehicle. This incentivizes every aspect of society and government to do what they can to increase property prices. Homeowners think it's good for them. Investors love it. How do we do that? By limiting supply.

    In most of the US it's illegal to build anything other than single-family houses. We build our cities around cars. We make it impossible to build any form of public transit because that might let undesirables into our nice clean neighborhoods.

    The single biggest factor in homelessness is being priced out of housing.

    Expensive housing is an input into everything. It means wages need to be higher. It makes everything you buy from a business more expensive. It's why that $2 coffee 30 years ago is $8 now.

    What's the alternatie? Personal property and social housing. Personal property (as distinct from private property) is that you can still own property you personally use. You simply can't hoard housing. Social housing means the government provides affordable quality housing to anyone who wants it. The poster child for this is Vienna, where over 60% of the housing is soial housing.

    If you buy a house for $300k and it goes up to $800k. You haven't made $500k. You think you have but you haven't. Why? Because what would you do if you sold it? You'd still have to live somewhere. And if every other house is also $800k, you still only have one housing unit of wealth.

    Expensive housing is simply stealing from the next generation. It's also a way to keep you in debt, to coerce you into working with the threat of violence (eviction is violence) hanging over you.

    Landlords are parasites.

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    flyingaspi
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 4:14 am

    Quite a good article, I like the ‘hyper local democracy’ suggestion.

    But it’s weird how every discussion of housing seems to jump to increase supply and density.

    Never a mention of:
    – immigration driven demand
    – historically low interest rates inflating all asset prices
    – occupancy per home

    The macro trends that have driven these for the last 50 years are now reversing, at least in places like the SF Bay Area which will have a huge impact.

    Also the population pyramid of the US will (sadly) drive down demand in the next couple of decades.

    Also I’ve read studies that suggest that dense housing is less likely to promote family formation e.g. Japan’s high density and laissez-faire zoning hasn’t helped with their fertility crisis.

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    Klaus23
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 4:19 am

    It seems paradoxical to me that the only "solution" to housing shortages, which exist because the area is too attractive in large part because of the availability of jobs, is to build more houses and thus make the area more attractive to businesses because of the increased availability of workers. It looks like a battle against windmills that is bound to get out of hand. Efforts to alleviate the problem only exacerbate it.

    It would be interesting to see if the shortage could be reduced by taking a different approach and making the area less attractive. For example, you could tax businesses much more if they are located in very dense areas, or even just limit the total revenue of all businesses in a certain area. Such things would have their own problems and challenges, of course, but there are few economic problems as bad as the housing crisis, and there is more than enough land to go around.

  • Post Author
    flakiness
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 4:32 am

    [2021]

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    827a
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 4:47 am

    The pricing behavior of a modern economy is entirely dictated by the component prices of four things: Energy, Real Estate, Food, and Water. There's some interplay in how the pricing of one of these impacts the other (e.g. expensive energy makes transporting food more expensive, but expensive food makes harvesting energy more expensive). But there's nothing more "atomic" than these four things; the price of everything else is overwhelmed by price movements of Energy, Real Estate, Food, and Water.

    (in a competitive market, is the asterisk on this. If a market is not competitive, then Greed can be thought of as a 5th atomic economic input).

    The biggest challenge of the 21st century is: we aren't discovering much more of any of these things. The second derivative of "how many of these things are available on the market" is basically 0. Rights have been sold to everything in the ground; farmers know exactly how many cattle they'll have three years out; there's no surprises left. Companies need to show revenue growth, and Jerome wants 2% inflation, not 0%, not 6%. So, the price of these things can only go up; nothing is forcing them back down.

    The situation for Energy, Food, and Water isn't great, but they all have a pretty constant cost to their production; there's some sources of energy that are harder to get at, I've always heard fracking is one of these, but by-and-large they still have economics of scale on their side, once you adjust for inflation gas was $3.14 in 1975 and its $3.21 now, 50 years later. Its a similar story with food. Water has probably gotten cheaper, actually, but that's a rounding error.

    Real Estate is the opposite. We're making more people. We aren't discovering more land. Critically: We can increase our effective utilization of each square mile of land, but doing so raises the cost of each unit. Its cheap to just throw a homestead on a plot in the middle of nowhere, but once you put 200 people into an apartment building the same size you need to start thinking about parking, transportation, plumbing, electricity, crime, internet, it gets more and more expensive per-person as density goes up. This is part of the fallacy of thinking that the whole solution is density: Replacing a single family home with a 50 unit apartment complex usually results in an increase in cost per square foot, not a decrease.

    The other part is highlighted in Harris' plan to give first time homebuyers $10,000 toward a down payment. The reason why housing is expensive is not strictly density (read: supply); its also in demand. Demand does not decrease because you built more units. Due to induced demand, it oftentimes will increase, because those units might be mixed use, foot-traffic draws cool businesses, people want to live there, and thus your big plan to reduce the cost of housing by building more units actually just increased it.

    If you were the commissioner of some county with a growing population who wanted to reduce the cost of housing in the county, and you were also God and knew exactly how many people were going to move to the county in the next year, and you added precisely that number of units: The cost of housing will still go up. If you add more than exactly the needed number of units, the cost of housing might stagnate or go down, but its likely the vacancy rates will cause some level of financial strain on the property developers, and it might be hard to sustain such development; and in N years the cost will continue to rise.

    Developed Urban areas cannot escape this curse. Housing costs will always want to rise at a rate higher than inflation, over a long enough period of time. This shouldn't stop cities from increasing density, because what other option do they have, and it might be the difference between 4% and 8%. Underdeveloped cities (e.g. Austin TX), suburban, and rural areas in the United States can still underrun inflation, however, but shouldn't rush to significantly increase density more than demand on the area can support.

    The idea that any given county with a growing population can meaningfully and durably reduce the cost of housing within their borders is, mostly, a fallacy in the United States. The only way this can happen is in an environment with deflationary monetary policy, and the United States is extremely allergic to this.

  • Post Author
    throwaway652368
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 4:57 am

    Another factor everyone is missing because it's politically incorrect to talk about:

    There needs to be a way to avoid loud inconsiderate neighbors. Currently, this is done in practice by choosing an area where loud inconsiderate people are priced out. Until there's another way to do it, there will always be a demand for such areas.

    Increasing supply of housing is great on paper. But imagine you're a productive citizen who gets up early, works hard, and goes to bed early. Housing prices get reduced to where anyone can afford to live anywhere? By definition, suddenly ANYONE can become your neighbor, including folks who will play loud music at all hours of the night, keep loud dogs, etc. And sure, that might violate noise laws. Good luck getting those enforced, if the laws aren't changed to have teeth!!

    When dreaming up solutions to housing problems, ask yourself: "Would this solution allow a bum to move near to Bill Gates?" If the answer is yes, then your idea will not work. "Would this solution allow a bunch of high school dropouts to live alongside highly-paid software engineers doing work crucial for the economy?" If the answer is yes, your idea will have unforeseen bad consequences.

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    ziofill
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 5:20 am

    The thing I hate the most about not being able to afford a home is that rent is sky high and it makes it basically impossible to have another kid. Not without significant problems and risks at least.

  • Post Author
    dang
    Posted March 1, 2025 at 5:39 am

    Discussed at the time:

    The Housing Theory of Everythinghttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28531025 – Sept 2021 (80 comments)

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