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The Death of Daydreaming: What we lose when phones take away boredom by isolli

The Death of Daydreaming: What we lose when phones take away boredom by isolli

The Death of Daydreaming: What we lose when phones take away boredom by isolli

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  • Post Author
    tines
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 2:54 pm

    This is the most important and impactful decision that an average person (i.e. all of us here) will make regarding the quality of his mental life.

    This week I ordered a SIM card compatible with my Nokia dumb phone. I have a smartphone for work, and I intend for it to be off and in a drawer when I get home in the evenings.

    I’ve realized also that having a dedicated space to do computing activities, the kind encouraged by having an immobile desktop computer rather than a phone, tablet or laptop, is immensely important for my mental integrity. I’m bringing that back too.

  • Post Author
    chiefgeek
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:01 pm

    I've been almost completely off social media (and candy – potentially a larger problem in the past for me) for a month other than to check once or twice a day to see if somebody has messaged me (rarely) and it really has been rather profound to experience life with the lack of regular hits of dopamine. It is such a subtle "drug". I've still been on a computer and surfing the web but not nearly the same amount of time as I was spending on my phone and social. I sat a ten day Vipassana course in 2016 – a profound experience that was at least an order of magnitude more impactful with regard to being off of "screens". There's definitely a cost that accompanies any perceived benefits of social media interaction. As in all things – balance!

  • Post Author
    cantSpellSober
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:10 pm

    > moments used to be given over to silent reflection or conversation with whoever is around

    Noticeable on pubic transit particularly

  • Post Author
    snozolli
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:12 pm

    Before smartphones and the Internet, I almost always had a paperback book to read. Bus rides were either me talking to friends (rare, since our schedule didn't match often), reading a book, or uncomfortably fighting the urge to doze off.

    While, yes, social media gives us a more pronounced dopamine hit-and-crave cycle, we've always had means of escape at our fingertips.

  • Post Author
    submeta
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:16 pm

    I have my daydreaming while taking a shower. And I have my best ideas when I take a shower. So yes, disconnecting from digital devices has its value.

  • Post Author
    graemep
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:16 pm

    "What is life is full of care, we have no time to stand and stare" – William Henry Davies

    ON Saturday was waiting to meet people on a road that had just been reopened after a May Day (traditional British style with May Queen etc.) parade. Other people were doing the same.

    I looked around and noticed people (some still in costume etc. so interesting crowd) and looked at buildings (its a pretty street, even though I know it well) and was quite happy.

    One thing I noticed was the everyone else who was waiting for people was on their phones, almost all the time they were there.

    Obsessive business is the opposite of mindfulness.

    It also kills casual social interaction. Talking to someone who is standing next to you.

  • Post Author
    DaveExeter
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:20 pm

    Boredom is highly overrated.

  • Post Author
    kzrdude
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:26 pm

    I have no good story and also no excuse: I'm too online, like most people. I feel like my mind is usually "on rails". That's what it feels like, always staring into a computer or a phone.

  • Post Author
    bhouston
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    I find that daydreaming is absolutely critical for coming up with good strategies. Otherwise I can default to just do the next obvious thing, which isn't always the most strategic if you can take in the full picture, or at least consider alternatives well.

    The two ways I get to strategic reflection are really:

    – Doing lego. I find thhat doing lego is actually really good at helping me consolidate thoughts and ideas. It takes up just enough mental energy to not get bored, but it lets me think about things with an unstressed mind.

    – Walks. The other way to generate new perspectives is to take a walk at lunch though non-interesting territory. I really do not find walks in a busy downtown to be relaxing, too much activity intruding on me to actually be low stress, but if it is in a forest or even just a long parkway that works for me.

    The absolute worst way to come up with new ideas is in front of my computer trying to work. Good for doing the next obvious thing, but really hard to think outside of the box.

    You really do need a mix of the two, otherwise you are either doing the obvious or never actually doing anything.

  • Post Author
    frereubu
    Posted May 5, 2025 at 3:28 pm

    > Can you remember the last time you daydreamed? Or coped with boredom without reaching for your phone? Before the era of mobile technology, most of us had no choice but to wait without stimulation, and often, that meant being bored.

    This line never hits right to me. I used to religiously carry around the New Yorker and / or NYRB and / or London Review of Books etc, often with a book too, so that I could read while waiting for friends, appointments, public transport etc, so I was never bored or daydreaming when I didn't want to be. I think this needs to be rephrased to account for the difference in quality between printed material and the infinite, deliberately-addictive of the modern internet, which is the real issue.

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