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The belay test and the modern American climbing gym by vasco

The belay test and the modern American climbing gym by vasco

The belay test and the modern American climbing gym by vasco

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  • Post Author
    packetlost
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 5:06 pm

    My family has a unique history with the climbing gym boom of the 90s. In the early to mid 90s my dad was operating a "co-op" called "The Barn" between Madison, WI and Dodgeville, WI. It was literally a retired barn that he had built climbing walls and a small apartment for himself to live in. I guess he eventually got in trouble with the authorities or something because it had to go away (likely code related, but I'm not sure), but he and some of the members ended up founding a legitimate business that stands to this day: Boulders Climbing Gym in Madison. He ended up leaving the business around the time I was born in 1997, but was still somewhat involved for a good chunk of my childhood.

    The parts about the belay test are burned into my brain as a result. I had no idea that the industry had its roots in Silicon Valley!

  • Post Author
    mordechai9000
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 5:43 pm

    “I had some really good, famous, climbers come in and fail the belay test,”

    Climbers still complain about the belay test, especially older climbers who cut their teeth outdoors and same late to the gym scene. But most gym accidents involving top roping or lead climbing are going to come down to a failed safety check or a mistake on the part of the belayer. And a failed safety check is at least partially a belayer failure.

    Experience level doesn't necessarily correlate with safe technique. Beginners can be highly conscious of the consequences of a fall, where more experienced climbers can get complacent and sloppy when the negative consequences fail to materialize.

    For example: the coach of an internationally competitive athlete dropped his climber on a grigri because he was casually chatting with someone on the ground and failed to control the brake strand.

    https://youtu.be/WBGkKqLhM8Y?si=p58XDsgOG5O2dbJP

  • Post Author
    Fricken
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 6:17 pm

    A Entreprises wall went up at the University of Alberta in 1989, which was pretty early for North American indoor walls. The Verdon Gorge was the hot shit place to climb at the time, and the Entreprises (a french company) wall textures and holds emulated the small technical limestone features that are commonly found there.

    I wasn't allowed to climb there until I was 16. I cut my teeth as a climber traversing back and forth on a cobbled bridge abutment local climbers would train on before the U of A wall went up.

    The second Gym to open in my home city, Vertically inclined, in 1994, was designed by Christian Griffith. It is still in operation today. Griffith also designed my original chalkbag, which I bought with allowance money and still have. I'm sentimental about that chalkbag.

    Around that time a local climber was dabbling around with hold making and went on to found Teknick climbing hold company, which set off a trend towards the big fat holds you see in climbing gyms today. Teknik is now a venerable old company and the second biggest supplier of holds in the world. He was a way better climber than me back then, and he still is.

  • Post Author
    egl2020
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 6:22 pm

    I took a belay test in 1970 to qualify to climb with my school's outing club. We used a concrete weight and a hip belay.

  • Post Author
    drcode
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 6:25 pm

    PSA: Most modern gyms have "autobelay" devices that let you climb on your own without a partner. This makes gym climbing a super fun and accessible exercise anyone, even beginners, can do by just showing up to a gym at your convenience.

    (If you're a beginner you should still take the 1 hour class first and you will have to pass a belay test. And yes, if you can make the schedule work out with a friend so can belay each other, that's even more fun)

  • Post Author
    nepthar
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 6:42 pm

    Is there really such a large crossover that climbing.com makes it to hacker news? Sure, this is interesting, but I love that this site is focused on tech.

  • Post Author
    thirtywatt
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 7:22 pm

    >I got no positive reaction from the [climbing] industry at all

    This was my experience trying to create a climbing tech product in the last few years.

    The market for climbing is built through reputation, tradition, & thus a visceral rejection of new ideas & methods. This is very interesting, since many climbers work in forward-thinking tech companies.

    Companies often resist growth to stay small. There are dirty secrets and bad blood among many competitors.

    Amazing sport, hard fought market.

  • Post Author
    MarcelOlsz
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 7:37 pm

    If you're into this you should also check out Dan Iaboni from the parkour world. Started from a forum+fb group with a parkour gym built by the community in an old carpet factory, and now The Monkey Vault is in a massive factory in Toronto. Everyone thought he was crazy.

  • Post Author
    CephalopodMD
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 8:44 pm

    Ohhhhhh. It just clicked for me that indoor climbing is from silicon valley and that's why the Venn diagram of tech bros and crag dirtbags overlays so much. I always assumed there was just something about the type of people who work in tech that they're weirdly more into climbing than average. But it's not a psychological quirk, it's a historical quirk!

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