This is amazing and something I personally love to do myself, and it's great to see a website that encourages engaging with culture and art in a deeper and historical level, I feel like that's something that we need more and more of nowadays.
Just wanted to let you know that I'm getting a pretty big audio pop when I scroll through the mountain king section on my phone, like my speaker is getting blown out a little, maybe some clipping or weird audio initializing going on.
when i gave a presentation on sampling for a public speaking class in college i played the amen break, then slowed it down to show it was used in Fuck Tha Police, then sped it up to show it was used in the powerpuff girls theme song
They primarily used the genius.com API, which I didn't know existed. Anyone built any other cool projects with it?
Is there a "discovery" player that plays your own Spotify library, but shows you all related tracks by sample, interpolation, cover, etc from the Genius API that you can explore? Kind of like a wikipedia rabbithole, but for music?
Reminds me of 'Wonder Riff' by Baterz, although it's mainly about arguing with David Whiffler about how it's not actually a copy of Stevie Wonder, just slightly similar. Good fun Aussie pub-rock vibe tho I reckon it's great:
I once had the realization that a riff from Metallica's "The Four Horseman" was the same as that from Tom Petty's "Last Dance With Mary Jane" except, as I learned several years after the realization, it is actually the riff from "Sweet Home Alabama" which was introduced in a session as a joke by the guitarist to make fun of the drummer for having narrow musical knowledge. He was correct in his assumption that the drummer wouldn't recognize it, and it was included in the final version of the song.
In a similar vein, I maintain a website[0] where users can submit songs that sound like other songs. Several times this has helped me figure out where I’ve heard a riff or melody before (when it’s not a direct sample, which I usually find on whosampled.com).
Why is it "Shared DNA" if all rappers do is sample and totally rip-off music (Logos, artist names etc) before them?
The concept of "DNA" with music goes much deeper than some lucky nobody who sampled someone's life work so they could pollute it with lowest common denominator poetry and a Roland Drum Machine.
I submit that oogling over people who steal music by sampling is not that deep, and there's deeper methods of musical analysis than "This band sampled this beat, this means they're a natural progression of art".
Every example I skimmed over was some hiphop artist who ripped off music before them.
Other artists have some shame and just copy chord progressions, but rappers went so far to just completely steal parts of the song.
What really blows my mind is not the fact that all these songs borrow from and remix one another, but the overall "problem of universals" from metaphysics. In the realm of music, how do we even identify specific characteristics that lead to properties of resemblence? How does your brain know "Oh, that's the Funky Drummer beat" when it's played on a different drum kit or at a different tempo, etc etc.
edit: Would love to see an AI driven project where you drag a slider to "mutate" a sample until it's no longer that sample but another piece of music. A "boil the frog" type thing.
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16 Comments
echelon
This is an incredibly cool idea. I would love to see this applied to music, but also literary structure, film, etc.
andrefuchs
Incredible project.
xnx
Reminds me of one of my all-time favorites sites: https://www.whosampled.com/
Vaslo
Wasn’t this Pandoras original claim to fame – that they used 30 or 40 different aspects of music to categorize music and help you find what you liked?
hserang
This is wonderful. I have wanted to make some version of this for years. Thank you for sharing!
nodra
This was done so well. Congrats!!!
reassess_blind
Huh, I never put together "Inspector Gadget" and "In the Hall of the Mountain King".
nodompa
This is amazing and something I personally love to do myself, and it's great to see a website that encourages engaging with culture and art in a deeper and historical level, I feel like that's something that we need more and more of nowadays.
Just wanted to let you know that I'm getting a pretty big audio pop when I scroll through the mountain king section on my phone, like my speaker is getting blown out a little, maybe some clipping or weird audio initializing going on.
trial3
when i gave a presentation on sampling for a public speaking class in college i played the amen break, then slowed it down to show it was used in Fuck Tha Police, then sped it up to show it was used in the powerpuff girls theme song
cypherpunks01
Wow this is super cool!
They primarily used the genius.com API, which I didn't know existed. Anyone built any other cool projects with it?
Is there a "discovery" player that plays your own Spotify library, but shows you all related tracks by sample, interpolation, cover, etc from the Genius API that you can explore? Kind of like a wikipedia rabbithole, but for music?
danwills
Reminds me of 'Wonder Riff' by Baterz, although it's mainly about arguing with David Whiffler about how it's not actually a copy of Stevie Wonder, just slightly similar. Good fun Aussie pub-rock vibe tho I reckon it's great:
https://youtu.be/Pe5x6asEkgs?si=qTfwIva1_fRY6973
Boogie_Man
I once had the realization that a riff from Metallica's "The Four Horseman" was the same as that from Tom Petty's "Last Dance With Mary Jane" except, as I learned several years after the realization, it is actually the riff from "Sweet Home Alabama" which was introduced in a session as a joke by the guitarist to make fun of the drummer for having narrow musical knowledge. He was correct in his assumption that the drummer wouldn't recognize it, and it was included in the final version of the song.
The story: https://youtube.com/shorts/nY6CPOtN47w?si=K_9EKvKGbgnuGKSg
The riffs: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2V6HbSkAD5g&pp=ygUgZm91ciBob3J…
shriracha
Great great project, as usual by the pudding
memalign
In a similar vein, I maintain a website[0] where users can submit songs that sound like other songs. Several times this has helped me figure out where I’ve heard a riff or melody before (when it’s not a direct sample, which I usually find on whosampled.com).
0: https://memalign.github.io/m/similarsongs.html
crawsome
Why is it "Shared DNA" if all rappers do is sample and totally rip-off music (Logos, artist names etc) before them?
The concept of "DNA" with music goes much deeper than some lucky nobody who sampled someone's life work so they could pollute it with lowest common denominator poetry and a Roland Drum Machine.
I submit that oogling over people who steal music by sampling is not that deep, and there's deeper methods of musical analysis than "This band sampled this beat, this means they're a natural progression of art".
Every example I skimmed over was some hiphop artist who ripped off music before them.
Other artists have some shame and just copy chord progressions, but rappers went so far to just completely steal parts of the song.
audiodude
What really blows my mind is not the fact that all these songs borrow from and remix one another, but the overall "problem of universals" from metaphysics. In the realm of music, how do we even identify specific characteristics that lead to properties of resemblence? How does your brain know "Oh, that's the Funky Drummer beat" when it's played on a different drum kit or at a different tempo, etc etc.
edit: Would love to see an AI driven project where you drag a slider to "mutate" a sample until it's no longer that sample but another piece of music. A "boil the frog" type thing.