Proposed bill to make it a crime to download DeepSeek in the US
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ydlr
There is no text of the bill, but based on its title, this could outlaw publishing any public AI research.
sflanker
Full text here https://www.hawley.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Haw…
gtirloni
And the majority voted for this. Unbelievable.
lgvln
Who or what is this bill trying to protect??
ranger_danger
Sponsored by Josh Hawley, the guy who sent fundraising messages from inside the Capitol during Jan 6.
boredpeter
With the TikTok ban and now this idiotic bill we’re seeing the beginning of a censored US internet.
t-writescode
Wasn't Isolationism the practice that was strongly, negatively spoken about when people were going through middle and high school as "the way to fall behind"? and "what all those people that didn't advance did for centuries and it harmed them"?
kylecazar
Does it actually make it a crime to download DeepSeek?
Does downloading and using a model qualify as r&d on behalf of it's creator?
Because that's what this bill seems to be banning.
llm_trw
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNGdNl…
But also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergod
Havoc
Please do. It’s been slow the last couple weeks since it got popular
noxs
Thinking from a different perspective, if the Chinese government has banned import of NVIDIA GPU, or downloading U.S. made llm because of so called national security reasons, DeepSeek certainly won't make such progress.
Today we are even more closed than CCP, what a joke. These elites'/attorney politicians just can't stop their arrogant attitude towards a non-western country's achievement. This is just going to destroy the industry at U.S.
We have seen examples of EV and Drones already.
827a
> (a) PROHIBITION ON IMPORTATION On and after the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the importation into the United States of artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence technology or intellectual property developed or produced in the People’s Republic of China is prohibited.
> (b) PROHIBITION ON EXPORT.—On and after the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the export, reexport, or in-country transfer of artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence technology or intellectual property to or within the People’s Republic of China is prohibited.
This seems worded significantly more broadly than just artificial intelligence; it covers any "intellectual property" at all? Couldn't this prohibit, for example, Apple's ability to sell the iPhone or distribute iOS in China?
rmrf100
is it ok to use DeepSeek model on azure/aws/nvidia/groq?
65
Expected. OpenAI needs to manufacture a monopoly somehow!
sega_sai
I am wondering, at what point we will start observing economic effects from this kind of governance we are seeing now and in the last couple of weeks. I feel that only the economic crisis/slump may force to change course from the ongoing transformation to totalitarianism.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee that there will be economic effects. For example many companies tried to stay in Russia long after Russia started the war in Ukraine, and many left only after significant pressure.
drewcoo
Like the Crypto Wars but in reverse? Where can I get the t-shirt?
makerdiety
All attempts to propagate the liberal-democratic policy that is the repression of capital are countered by the nomadic drive for profit. What is more concerning than a bunch of inept fat cops is the black markets that naturally arise within legitimate white collar enterprises that will have appeared to have been compliant with the democratic imposition. The Al Capones of the next level of software development should be capable enough to spot the flaws and opportunities that can be discovered in the democratic world-system. This intelligence, awareness, and sensibility includes the critique of what mistake the current authoritarian hegemony will have made to result in the demise of faith in legislative process and congressional determination.
One important news to note is that the ones sponsoring prohibitions of effective engineering implementations are simply the criminals that got a head start in the cosmopolitan grab for economic power. This is consistent with the theory that techno-commercial incumbents dislike competition, likely because they don't really deserve their top positions and now they have to fight against nature's angry wraith which dislikes impostors in the field of technology and science. A really disorienting war between very cunning capitalists to either watch or participate in, if you can keep up with the dynamics.
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It's okay if a repulsive nerd like Sam Altman uses a fraction of his billionaire wealth to ban DeepSeek. You can still be productive with a distilled seven billion parameter model like Mistral. The hacker spirit is about being resourceful and looking for ways to do a lot with little, despite the secrets being hidden through some temporary epistemological case.
elmo8888
What's silly about this is, if a company that wants to publicize can meet / beat the US benchmarks, then who knows what some state owned entity that's performing R&D in the background could easily achieve. Any reactions made by the US is a waste of time, just focus on pushing the US technology further and leapfrog.
nurettin
What if I vpn to a network in the US, then control a host in Finland through Hetzner? Is that still considered "Download deepseek in the US"?