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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules by jonbaer

OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules by jonbaer

OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules by jonbaer

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  • Post Author
    freedomben
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:19 pm

    Related (adjacent content from the same report):

    OpenAI urges Trump administration to remove guardrails for the industry (cnbc.com)https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43354324

  • Post Author
    dsr_
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:36 pm

    You see, American AI is going to take over the world. It's just that it's temporarily short of funds. I mean, GPUs. Uh, there are pesky laws in the way.

    Totally not the fault of a gigantic overcommitment based on wishing, no.

  • Post Author
    gkoberger
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:38 pm

    I hate this game. I hate that Sam Altman publicly supported Trump (both financially and by showing up). Maybe I hate that he "had" to do this for the sake of his company, or maybe I hate that he _didn't_ have to do it and is a hypocrite. Maybe I just hate how easily laws can be shaped by $1M and a few nice words. Either way, I hate that it worked.

  • Post Author
    dchichkov
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:40 pm

    >> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.”

    Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

  • Post Author
    pr337h4m
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    >Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations that focus on frontier model security,” according to the proposal.

    Given OpenAI's history and relationship with the "AI safety" movement, I wouldn't be surprised to find out later that they also lobbied for the same proposed state-level regulations they're seeking relief from.

  • Post Author
    6stringmerc
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:42 pm

    Tell you what, set up a Federal level disclosure process online of all the copyright protected works used in training OpenAI for the creators / rights holders to get equity (out of the pockets of the C-Suite and Board) via claiming their due, and we’ll take you seriously.

    All the profit and none of the liability is Coward Capitalism.

  • Post Author
    Jcampuzano2
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:54 pm

    I know a lot of people will hate on things like this, but the reality is they are right that guardrails only serve to hurt us in the long run, at least at this pivotal point in time. I don't like Trump personally as a caveat.

    Yes it is a fact they did build themselves up on top of mountains of copyrighted material, and that AI has a lot of potential to do harm, but if they are forced to stop or slow down foreign actors will just push forward and innovate without guardrails and we will just fall behind as the rest of the world pushes forward.

    Its easy to see how foreign tech is quickly gaining ground. If they truly cared about still propping America up, they should allow some guardrails to be pushed past.

  • Post Author
    reverendsteveii
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 4:54 pm

    Is it me or does it feel like most of what the federal government does nowadays is make it illegal for government to make things illegal?

  • Post Author
    ApolloFortyNine
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:00 pm

    It probably needs to be a law not an executive order but I don't hate the idea.

    States have the power to make it prohibitively expensive to operate in those states, leaving people to either go to VPNs or use AI's hosted in other countries where they don't care if they're not following whatever new AI law California decides to pass. And companies would choose just to use datacenters not in the prohibitive states and ban ips from those states.

    Course if a company hosts in us-east-1, and allows access from California, would the inter state commerce clause not take effect and California would have no power anyways?

  • Post Author
    qoez
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:02 pm

    JD vance seems to be quite aware of OpenAIs meta strategy so I wouldn't be surprised if this is declined (ie semi specifically aimed at something they want to force them to comply with).

  • Post Author
    msp26
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:02 pm
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    zombiwoof
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:03 pm

    “Freedom to make money”

  • Post Author
    crorella
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:04 pm

    If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

  • Post Author
    iamleppert
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:07 pm

    He should have offered for every purchase of OpenAI services, a portion would be used to purchase TrumpCoin. That would have been a more effective bribe.

  • Post Author
    LeicaLatte
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:12 pm

    [flagged]

  • Post Author
    croes
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:24 pm

    > OpenAI has asked the Trump administration to help shield artificial intelligence companies from a growing number of proposed state regulations if they voluntarily share their models with the federal government.

    That sounds like corruption

  • Post Author
    dtquad
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:26 pm

    It is interesting that it is not the Hollywood/Music/Entertainment copyright lobby (RIAA, MPAA etc.) that is lobbying US states to go after OpenAI and other American AI companies.

    It's the New York Times and various journalist and writers' unions that are leading the charge against American AI.

    American journalists and opinion piece writers want to kill American AI and let China and Russia have the global lead. Why? Have they taught about the long consequences of what they are doing?

  • Post Author
    m3kw9
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:44 pm

    Maybe this data constraint from data vs GPU constraint for China will force America to innovate. Maybe innovate in data generation

  • Post Author
    tehjoker
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:44 pm

    private property is sacrosanct except when an exception that only applies to them it would make a billionaire richer

  • Post Author
    tasuki
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 5:57 pm

    I heard the theory that Elon Musk has a significant control over the current US government. They're not best pals with Sam Altman. This seems like it might be a good way to see how much power Elon actually has over the government?

  • Post Author
    insane_dreamer
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 6:08 pm

    DeepSeek/whoever training on OpenAI outputs is … bad.

    OpenAI training on every content creator's outputs is … good.

  • Post Author
    waltercool
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 6:23 pm

    [dead]

  • Post Author
    bxguff
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 6:56 pm

    clear attempt circumnavigate the clear copyright violations of the AI era and kick the can down the road.

  • Post Author
    pmxi
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 7:19 pm
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    ch4s3
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 7:22 pm

    I'm surprised to see only one comment here addressing the issue of Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright and IP laws/norms. I wonder if there is a viable path where we can facilitate some sort of economic remuneration for people who write and create visual art while not giving up the game to Chinese companies.

    This seems to be a thorny dilemma.

  • Post Author
    ihsw
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 7:37 pm

    [dead]

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    fazeirony
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 7:49 pm

    the GOP: "states' rights! states' rights!!"

    also the GOP: "not those rights! only the rights we want to share"

  • Post Author
    nick238
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 8:00 pm

    In the "just because everyone else is jumping off a bridge, should you do it":

    > Pfizer Asks White House for Relief From FDA Drug Human Testing Rules

    > Pfizer has asked the Trump administration to help shield pharmaceutical companies from a growing number of proposed state and federal regulations if they voluntarily share their human trial results with the federal government.

    > In a 15-page set of policy suggestions released on Thursday, the Eliquis maker argued that the hundreds of human-testing-related bills currently pending across the US risk undercutting America’s technological progress at a time when it faces renewed competition from China. Pfizer said the administration should consider providing some relief for pharmaceutical companies big and small from state rules – if and when enacted – in exchange for voluntary access to testing data.

    > Chris Lehane, Pfizer's vice president of global affairs, said in an interview, "China is engaged in remarkable progress in drug development by testing through Uyghur volunteers in the Xinjiang province. The US is ceding our strategic advantage by not using untapped resources sitting idle in detention facilities around the country."

    > George C. Zoley, Executive Chairman of GEO Group, said, "Our new Karnes ICE Processing Center has played an important role in helping ICE meeting the diverse policy priorities of four Presidential Administrations. We stand ready to continue to help the federal government, Pfizer, and other privately-held companies achieve their unmet needs through human trials in our new 1,328-bed Texas facility."

  • Post Author
    bnchrch
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 8:28 pm

    Maybe in a present:

    – Dominated by a intractable global manufacturer/technologist (China) that doesn't care about copyright

    – Proliferated by a communication network that doesn't care about copyright (Internet)

    and a future where:

    – We have thinking machines on par with human creativity that get better based on more information (regardless of who owns the rights to the original synapses firing)

    That maybe, just maybe, the whole "who should pay to use copyrighted work?" question is irrelevant, antiquated, impossible, redundant…

    And for once we instead realize in the face of a new world, an old rule no longer applies.

    (Similar to a decade ago when we debated if a personal file was uploaded to a cloud provider should a warrant apply)

  • Post Author
    baskinator
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    How big was the check that came with this request? For the right price their logo can go on the rose garden lawn.

  • Post Author
    basisword
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:02 pm

    “Please help us. We’re only a little business worth $157 billion!” – The company ripping off everyone that’s ever written or drawn anything. Company’s like AirBnB and Uber breaking the rules, gaining control of the market, and then pushing up prices was bad. “Open” AI is just a whole other level of hubris.

  • Post Author
    greesil
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:03 pm

    Write a law. We don't have an emperor.

  • Post Author
    iteratethis
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:11 pm

    I'm disgusted by the mindset that companies should be able to do whatever they want when it comes to technology as impactful and revolutionary as AI.

    AI sucks up the collective blood, sweat and tears of human work without permission or compensation and then re-monetizes it. It's a model that is even more asymmetrical than Google Search, whom at least gives back some traffic to creators (if lucky).

    AI is going to decide on human lives if it drives your car or makes medical diagnoses or decisions. This needs regulation.

    AI has the ability for convincing deepfakes, attacking the essence of information and communication in itself. This needs regulation, accountability, at least a discussion.

    As AI grows in its capability, it will have an enormous impact on the work force, both white collar and blue collar. It may lead to a lot of social unrest and a political breakdown. "Let's see what happens" is wildly irresponsible.

    You cannot point to foreign competition as a basis for a no-rule approach. You should start with rules for impactful/dangerous technology and then hold parties to account, both domestic and foreign.

    And if it is true that we're in a race to AGI, realize that this means the invention of infinite labor. Bigger than the industrial revolution and information age combined.

    Don't you think we should think that scenario through a little, rather than winging it?

    The inauguration had the tech CEOs lined up directly behind Trump, clearly signaling who runs the country. Its tech and its media. How can you possible have trust in a technology even more powerful ending up in ever richer and more autocratic hands?

    But I suppose the reality is that Altman should donate $100 million to Trump and tell him that he's the greatest man ever. Poof, regulation is gone.

  • Post Author
    timewizard
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:12 pm

    > OpenAI also proposed that AI companies get access to government-held data, which could include health-care information, Lehane said.

    Yea, straight up, go fuck yourselves. You want copyright laws changed to vouchsafe your straight up copyright whitewashing and now you just want medical data "because."

    Pay for it or go away. I'm tired of these technoweenies with their hands out. Peter Thiel needs a permanent vacation.

  • Post Author
    sd9
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:30 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks “freedom to learn” is an anthropomorphising euphemism?

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    cratermoon
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:40 pm

    Buried the lede:

    > OpenAI also reiterated its call for the government to take steps to support AI infrastructure investments and called for copyright reform, arguing that America’s fair use doctrine is critical to maintaining AI leadership. OpenAI and other AI developers have faced numerous copyright lawsuits over the data used to build their models.

  • Post Author
    JohnFen
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:41 pm

    I really hope OpenAI fails in doing this. If this usage is allowed, then it means that there is no path towards me being OK with publishing anything on the internet again.

  • Post Author
    JKCalhoun
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:43 pm

    I'm assuming this has zero effect on non-US AI companies?

  • Post Author
    tmnvix
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:53 pm

    I've heard so many ridiculous stories about 'AI' that I'm at the point where I initially took this to mean the LLM and not the company had made the request.

    I expect that interpretation won't seem outlandish in the future.

  • Post Author
    gitpusher
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    HAHAHA. Remember when Sam was absolutely frothing at the mouth to "regulate AI" two years ago?

    > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/technology/openai-altman-…

    > https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/09/tech/korea-altman-chatgpt…

  • Post Author
    hello_computer
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 10:05 pm
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    grahar64
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 10:14 pm

    Well funded companies want regulations because it stops up and coming companies from competing. Now they want exemptions from those regulations because it would be too restrictive.

  • Post Author
    sunshine-o
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 10:27 pm

    Funny how fast those AI prophets went from:

    – The government need to prepare because soon they will need to give money to all those people we made obsolete and unemployed. And there is nothing to stop us.

    to:

    – We need money from the government to do that thing we told you about.

  • Post Author
    steveBK123
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 10:49 pm

    The right loves states rights, unless it conflicts with their personal preferences.

  • Post Author
    light_triad
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 11:14 pm

    It coincides with this: OpenAI calls DeepSeek ‘state-controlled,’ calls for bans on ‘PRC-produced’ models

    https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/13/openai-calls-deepseek-stat…

    On HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

  • Post Author
    secondary_op
    Posted March 13, 2025 at 11:18 pm

    Free market y all !

    OpenAI calls DeepSeek 'state-controlled,' calls for bans

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

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