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Obscura VPN – Privacy that’s more than a promise by lostin01010101

Obscura VPN – Privacy that’s more than a promise by lostin01010101

Obscura VPN – Privacy that’s more than a promise by lostin01010101

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  • Post Author
    saltlyfe
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 4:53 am

    Nice. I like the idea of splitting trust so that the clients IP + browsing data are not linked unless the two servers collude. This feels very similar in spirit to VPN cascading though?

  • Post Author
    mantra2
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 5:20 am

    So, essentially the same idea as iCloud+ Private Relay in Safari?

  • Post Author
    sebastien_b
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 5:22 am

    [dead]

  • Post Author
    wmf
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 6:13 am

    This looks like two-hop Tor but I guess it's faster because you pay for it.

  • Post Author
    yardstick
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 6:22 am

    Interesting concept. The blog has a lot more details[1].

    One comment/question about the exit nodes. Can someone correct or validate my thoughts:

    It’s a WireGuard tunnel from the user to Mullvad, so while Obscura can’t see the user traffic, couldn’t the Mullvad exit node see the traffic, and using knowledge of the users WireGuard public key, associate all that users traffic with that key? So even if they can’t associate it with an IP, they could still potentially identify and track you.

    This assumes they use a customised version of WireGuard to somehow log & associate each decrypted IP packet against the users public key.

    1. https://obscura.net/blog/bootstrapping-trust/

  • Post Author
    Koffiepoeder
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 6:32 am

    Doesn't this just move trust from mullvad to obscura?

  • Post Author
    bdhcuidbebe
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 7:06 am

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    offers real untraceable anonymity and is 100% free.

  • Post Author
    LeoPanthera
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 9:01 am

    Mullvad, whose exit nodes they are using anyway, already has a "multihop" feature in the client that sends your traffic in one node and out another.

  • Post Author
    pooriamokhtari
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 9:52 am

    QUIC can be blocked by the censor. Since connections fall-back on HTTP 2 this doesn't have any effect on availability. the obfuscation this VPN promises is essentially non-existent.

  • Post Author
    fratimo66
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 10:22 am

    Do you use any analytics tools on your website and how do you drive traffic to it?

    Are you planning no-ads campaigns (similar to what simpleanalytics.com does)?

    I'm on a privacy-first project and such info would help.

  • Post Author
    ortichic
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 10:29 am

    What happened if some government agency were to order both Obscura and Mullvad to log a certain user or certain activities? Wouldn't it be possible to combine those logs? If it isn't: would that change if Obscura was ordered to also use a separate Mullvad account for a specific user/IP?

  • Post Author
    hmmhmm
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 10:29 am

    The product page states no logs, and then on that same page there is a claim the VPN IP address means anonymity- except… when I log in to VPN and I'm assigned IP address, now I'm tracked through this IP address? I'd guess there are logs saying something like 'user X requested IP, user X paid so lets give user X a.b.c.d for the duration of session'

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