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Many of the Pokemon playtest cards were likely printed in 2024 by grep_it

Many of the Pokemon playtest cards were likely printed in 2024 by grep_it

Many of the Pokemon playtest cards were likely printed in 2024 by grep_it

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  • Post Author
    chungy
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 6:58 pm

    Punch card technology!

    At least that's what I thought of, with those dot patterns forming bits.

  • Post Author
    __loam
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 6:58 pm

    This is something that's pretty well known in the magic the gathering community. Some of us who trade in older cards to play certain formats have jeweler's loupes to check this stuff.

  • Post Author
    talldayo
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:00 pm

    Looks like we hugged them too hard: https://archive.ph/hKXoK

  • Post Author
    salgernon
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:04 pm

    I always thought that a near learning project would be training an ML on “real” cards and then detecting fakes. I don’t play the games but I was always thrown by how much effort went into counterfeits, but I guess there’s enough profit for someone. There’s usually something wrong with the registration or colors.

  • Post Author
    sbarre
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:04 pm

    I find it interesting that this research seems to be (at a glance from reading that first page of the thread) coming from someone who owns some of these fraudulent cards (and could have just re-sold them and kept their mouth shut).

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    throw_m239339
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:05 pm

    Reminds of the fake "sealed" authentic NES cartridges going for thousands of dollars or more on Ebay. It is a very lucrative business for scammers.

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    Suppafly
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:09 pm

    It's cool that printers have this technology, but the flip side is that it actually makes the printers worse at being printers for doing prints.

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    sandworm101
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:12 pm

    FYI, these yellow dots are part of a Secret Service program to fight counterfeit currency. It was big news a couple decades ago and is well understood in art/printing circles. There are host of similar programs to protect printed money.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

  • Post Author
    mmmlinux
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:18 pm

    In case anyone ever wonders why their printer wont print a black and white document when its out of yellow? This.

  • Post Author
    hatingisok
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:19 pm

    No wonder the yellow in my printer is always empty!

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    aaroninsf
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:19 pm

    The way humans construct "authenticity" and negotiate the ship of Theseus is going to provide so much fodder for the AIs to entertain themselves.

    Like my father-in-law interrogating me about being vegetarian at the dinner table, the sardonic Socratic dialog really writes itself…

    "OK; but now what if I were to selectively replace the molecules of one and only one pigment with a visually identical analog that is slightly modified to be more stable over time and with respect to UV exposure—could THAT still be an original card?"

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    wxw
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:24 pm

    TIL printer dots! Also curious if someone more familiar with this space/community could provide more backstory here. Reading some of the comments in the forum, it seems like 1) these "beta cards" surfaced a while ago and have been a contentious topic since, 2) a card authenticator business is involved. What's the scale of this scheme? What's the impact going forward/how much money is tied into this?

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    marcodiego
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:25 pm

    I want to buy a printer but I want it to simply print what I tell it to (which indeed is exactly how it should behave). What can I do?

  • Post Author
    Ekaros
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:33 pm

    It makes one really wonder why this is not absolute basic step in the "authentication" process. You could pretty much automate this as part of documentation process.

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    MrJagil
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:38 pm

    If you're interested in this kind of thing, Tavis King is one of the more knowledgable people with regards to mtg. Here's him mapping a booster to print sheet, to see how many Lotus' are still out there, possible to be opened: https://youtu.be/nnYe8FWTu_o?feature=shared&t=184

    edit:
    If you want the very technical version, here's a video from his own channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwnYLvWdNd8

  • Post Author
    nyczomg
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:41 pm

    Printer dots also led to the arrest of Reality Winner who leaked an internal NSA document to The Intercept which published it unredacted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner

  • Post Author
    aidenn0
    Posted January 30, 2025 at 7:43 pm

    I remember trying to print out fake magic cards in the late 90s (I picked a non-valuable card). I used two passes: a dye-sub printer with a laser for the black text. It looked great to the naked-eye, but trivial to see the difference due to differing print technology under a microscope. I'm slightly surprised that examination of the CMY pattern in the color wouldn't have been sufficient to identify a fake.

    [edit]

    Just re-read the post and realized these were identified as fake just from the picture posted online. That makes a lot more sense.

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