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Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy by rntn

Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy by rntn

Malaysia is betting on data centers to boost its economy by rntn

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  • Post Author
    decimalenough
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 10:26 pm

    This article has so many problems that I don't know where to start.

    > Tech companies exploiting resources in poorer countries while extracting data from their populations to get rich is akin to “digital colonialism.” She compared data extraction to silver mining in Bolivia, which enriched colonial Spain but left nothing behind for Latin America. “They are extracting data in the same way. Data doesn’t even leave (behind) taxes,” she said.

    1) Data collection and data mining are very different from data centers, but good luck explaining that to the layman.

    2) Malaysia's economic problems are largely due to dysfunctional government including racial preferences baked into the constitution, coupled with the resource curse, meaning exports of oil/LNG fund all sorts of wasteful spending and crowd out other businesses. "Digital colonialism" is the least of their worries.

    3) Last but not least, 60% of SE Asia's data centers are in Singapore, which is wealthier than the Western countries that, per the article, are apparently exploiting it.

  • Post Author
    crowcroft
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 10:27 pm

    I guess the thesis is that Singapore is the primary business hub in SEA, but Singapore doesn't have a grid that can handle large scale data centers (especially with power hungry GPU demand). Logically Johor bordering Singapore is the next best option for data centers.

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    janalsncm
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 11:02 pm

    I listened to the SemiAnalysis folks on the Lex Fridman podcast: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1f-o0nqpEI

    They claimed that the fact that Singapore imports so many GPUs despite a moratorium on data centers was evidence of China smuggling GPUs. Of course it’s impossible to prove a negative, but it seems a bit disingenuous to omit the fact that Malaysia, on the other side of a river, has a growing data center industry.

    The technical aspects of the podcast regarding DeepSeek, which I’m more familiar with, were accurate as far as I can tell.

  • Post Author
    darth_avocado
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 11:26 pm

    This is the “move the factories to third world countries so that we can have cleaner air and water while consuming endlessly, pretending the consumption doesn’t come with problems or that the third world countries are the problem” equivalent of data centers.

  • Post Author
    ahmedfromtunis
    Posted February 19, 2025 at 11:36 pm

    Isn't that part of the world usually has warmer climate? Unless the electricity there is somehow extremely cheap, I can't see how they can compete with Iceland, for example.

  • Post Author
    kristopolous
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 12:17 am

    I was just on a call with a company in Japan yesterday talking about deploying datacenters in KL. News verified I guess…

    Malaysia isn't that cheap for SEA btw. Thailand and Indonesia are probably cheaper.

    They've got a wildly unique system of rotating kings if you've never looked into it. Also this could be like a 50 episode series https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Malaysia_Development_Berhad…

  • Post Author
    duxup
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 12:33 am

    How much boosting do you get?

    So you get construction …

    But staffing after that, most big data-centers really focus on having as little staffing as possible. They're big, but I don't think they are big employers. I used to visit some BIG data centers that were largely unmanned.

  • Post Author
    nsoonhui
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 1:05 am

    I'm a Chinese Malaysian, and I feel the need to highlight the other side of the coin—the risks multinational corporations (MNCs) face when setting up data centers in Malaysia.

    Despite being elected on the promise of reform, the government's actual performance has been anything but. The press is still frequently suppressed; social media platforms are required to obtain a yearly license or risk being fined or shut down. There was even a time when the MCMC—the country’s communications regulatory body—forced all ISPs to route traffic through their DNS instead of allowing users to freely use Google or Cloudflare DNS, enabling government censorship.

    On that last point, the MCMC backed down after massive public outcry, but the government's authoritarian tendencies remain palpable.

    Speaking of authoritarianism, the current Prime Minister, Anwar Ibrahim, has proudly likened himself to Southeast Asia’s version of Erdogan. And indeed, he seems to be increasingly authoritarian just like Erdogan, curbing free speech while advancing an Islamist agenda. Under his leadership, the country is becoming increasingly intolerant, particularly as the majority Malay Muslims frequently target minorities—sometimes on a near-weekly basis. You might be surprised to learn that socks printed with the word "Allah" resulted in the store owner being charged and penalized in court. Meanwhile, ongoing debates about banning convenience stores from selling liquor in Muslim-majority areas never seem to die down. Non-Muslims remain uncertain about when they might inadvertently face repercussions for perceived "mistakes"—whether intentional or not.

    Additionally, Anwar's staunch support for Hamas may not sit well with the current U.S. administration. Whether this will lead to investors pulling out, or somehow trigger the US sanction, remains to be seen.

  • Post Author
    aaron695
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 1:45 am

    [dead]

  • Post Author
    radenmuaz
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 4:01 am

    Malaysia has always been doing the grunt work of the giants.

    See also how does Geely control Proton.

  • Post Author
    mmooss
    Posted February 20, 2025 at 4:11 am

    If Malaysia wanted to play hardball, they could wait until the data centers are built and running, and then raise electricity prices and taxes.

    If the government is authoritarian, they could be bribed. Remember the US government now says bribery is ok.

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