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Kagi – Introducing Fair Pricing by CleverLikeAnOx

Kagi – Introducing Fair Pricing by CleverLikeAnOx

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  • Post Author
    efitz
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:02 am

    Kudos for adopting a user friendly billing policy.

    I would love to see the FTC mandate a policy that prohibits automatic renewal billing if the service hasn’t been used for some time.

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    siddharthgoel88
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:05 am

    This is the best thing I have seen today. I read about this notification in the morning and had to re-read it to verify that I understood it correctly.

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    haxton
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:16 am

    Kindle has been doing this for years and has really made me a loyal customer to them. Always surprised the penny pinchers at Amazon haven't killed it yet.

  • Post Author
    denkmoon
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:17 am

    That's great, but I can't even imagine "forgetting" to use Kagi. Completely indispensable.

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    junon
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:29 am

    Well I guess it's finally time to try Kagi then.

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    rettichschnidi
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:31 am

    Would love to see Kagi and Mozilla to collaborate.

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    annexrichmond
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:33 am

    Kagi is awesome, but the thought of having a limit led me to use it less and less and I eventually unsubscribed.

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    yellowapple
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:33 am

    Probably won't affect me much, since I've happily been a daily user since learning about them at Handmade Seattle last year, but I'm glad they're going this route nonetheless.

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    vincnetas
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:49 am

    Just recently i was actually thinking about this pricing approach for netflix, apple arcade or whatever else. Basically i use it so rarely that i could just subscribe when i want to watch anything, and unsubscribe immediately. This will enable subscription till end of billing period (one month). Then when i want o watch anything again then i will repeat again. And now kagi has implemented exactly this but automated from their own side. Im subscribing just to vote with my wallet.

    Hopes that netflix or any other provider will implement this are small though. Because it's free money when someone pays for service and does not use it.

  • Post Author
    Shorn
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 6:53 am

    No good. Not fair.

    I put money into the account, you bill me per search – pre-paid usage based billing is the only way this can ever be "fair".

  • Post Author
    casenmgreen
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:01 am

    I trialed Kagi.

    I liked it, the results were good, no ads, gave me access to Google without being tracked.

    I would pay for that, except they block Tor, and I normally use Tor.

  • Post Author
    manmal
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:16 am

    Ok that’s it, I‘ll renew my account now. I‘ve been using it two years ago and was pretty happy, until a problem in my payment processor failed the payments to Kagi. I thought I wouldn’t miss it, but lately I haven’t been happy with DDG and been reaching more for Google, or should I say suffering Google?

    I also thought for a while that things like ChatGPT internet search or perplexity would replace DDG and Kagi, but, so far, I just want slop free sources to back up the slop I generated purposely in R1.

  • Post Author
    nomilk
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:19 am

    I'd pay more for more search results (as opposed to searches, which are already unlimited with Kagi subscriptions). I found google unbearable when it removed the '100 results' default setting (until I found a chrome extension). But I stopped using Kagi for the same reason. Sometimes seeing lots of search results has its advantages, for example when gauging how common/popular a term is, or just being able to quickly survey many sites, or seeing where one of your sites/article appears in the search rankings.

    Kagi attempts to only provide results it thinks will be relevant. While I liked the accurate results, I was frustrated when none of the 5-10 results was what I was after; at that point the UX is to type a new search term rather than simply scrolling further (I prefer the latter).

    One other small downside is I slightly missed google's 'WebAnswers' (certain google searches will display images and summary info for the search term, rather than strictly results). WebAnswers were handy on super quick searches for, say, a particular car or aircraft model). I didn't think I'd miss this, but I did, although it was very minor.

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    animanoir
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:19 am

    [dead]

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    CaptainFever
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:50 am

    Pleasantly surprised. Nice job, Kagi! This is consumer-friendly and to be commended.

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    Euphorbium
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:51 am

    Would be great if every company was forced by law to do this. Pay only for what you use.

  • Post Author
    manx
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:57 am

    Why not directly pay what you use? Similar to how LLM Apis are billed these days.

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    ciphix
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:57 am

    This is a promising trial of an innovative pricing model. Many AI products require a $19.9 subscription fee just to try them out, yet I only use most of them a few times a month. For such occasional use, a monthly subscription doesn't seem very practical or user-friendly. I hope AI products eventually move to a usage-based charging model.

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    dirkc
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:59 am

    This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it.

    So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you would be with a new subscription.

    Furthermore this generates goodwill, and I'm guessing goodwill has some % that converts to conversions and lower churn.

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    lyu07282
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:59 am

    if the plans included the search API for personal use I would almost consider, but brave search+ai is good enough for me, also they blocked my vpn's another big nono

  • Post Author
    jbverschoor
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 7:59 am

    Why not charge x ct per search. Or rather, x ct per click through. Or rather, x ct per action on a target website?

    Search = advertisements

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    neilv
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:07 am

    For the frugal-minded customers, will this be motivation to avoid using the service for the first time that month (and a little sinking feeling when you do)?

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    ajdude
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:15 am

    Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service.

    Keep up the good work guys!

  • Post Author
    barnabee
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:16 am

    This is cool.

    It’d be great if they extended it to refund $5 for anyone on a Pro or Ultimate plan doing less than 300 searches in a month, too. (I pay for ultimate and would still be very happy with that gesture.)

  • Post Author
    llm_trw
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:21 am

    The one area that'd make kagi thousands of dollars from me and the apps I use would be to lower their searches to a sane price.

    Currently they charge 2.5c for an API search. This is between 1,000 to 1,000,000 times more than other companies in the space charge.

    AI systems need to do dozens of searches for every question to get good results and kagi's results are really good. But not 1,000,000 times better than the competition.

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    Vexowsky
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:23 am

    tried Kagi for 2 months. It works really nice, but I think it is overpriced. I as a heavy user do notice the difference in milliseconds in comparison with google. Paying $10 and still having that delay felt really bad, so I ended up canceling my subscription.

  • Post Author
    icar
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:24 am

    I stopped using Kagi because the results in my native language are terrible. It's a pitty because Google is the only search engine good at it.

  • Post Author
    chitw00d
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:25 am

    [dead]

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    cyberax
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:27 am

    Subscribed! I have a severe subscription fatigue, so I was avoiding Kagi. But with this change, it makes it much less problematic.

    That reminds me, I need to cancel my 24 Hour Fitness subscription.

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    butterNaN
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:28 am

    They probably have enough data to indicate that a negligible number, if not none, of their customers are searching quite a lot. If they had a lot of customers who were using the service at a very low frequency, this policy actually disincentivises them from making that first search. For those people, the cost of their first search is suddenly 5 (or 10) dollars!

  • Post Author
    bugtodiffer
    Posted February 5, 2025 at 8:28 am

    Maybe introduce a security team instead of building a browser and email on top of your search

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