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Is it safe to travel to the United States with your phone? by Tomte

Is it safe to travel to the United States with your phone? by Tomte

Is it safe to travel to the United States with your phone? by Tomte

21 Comments

  • Post Author
    mouse_
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 12:50 pm

    I'm afraid this one's no exception to the law of headlines.

  • Post Author
    dartos
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 12:53 pm

    I’m no fan of the current administration at all, but I’m also weary of just accepting stories that confirm my bias.

    I _feel_ like the administration would brag about blocking potential European terrorists or something of this was actually going on intentionally.

    My gut tells me that the people getting blocked at the border are either running into extremely overzealous border guards OR are making some kind of ruckus anyway and complaining to the media after provoking guards somehow.

    Still not acceptable behavior by border guards, but it’d be a far cry from a top down order.

    I guess we’ll see how often these stories keep popping up.

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    malfist
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 12:55 pm

    I can't believe we're at the point in history where criticizing our president is labeled "potential terrorism" and used to punish people.

    Free speech is literally the first right granted by the bill of rights. Criticism of our president has _always_ been allowed.

  • Post Author
    mactavish88
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 12:56 pm

    What's a good "dumb phone" these days to travel with?

  • Post Author
    BLKNSLVR
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 12:57 pm

    I only bring a secondary, recently factory reset phone with a basic account setup overseas. But I haven't been overseas since prior to COVID. My primary phone stays at home, it's too potentially valuable to allow any country's airport security to paw through freely.

    I used to buy a local SIM card when I got to the airport. Next time I go overseas I might have to buy a new phone and SIM card.

    Edit: from what others have said, I'll also be making sure my phone is shutdown before the plane lands.

    I might also be looking very closely at GrapheneOS on a second hand pixel.

  • Post Author
    kotaKat
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:00 pm

    … Honestly, no, because they're gonna slap it on a Greykey, Cellebrite UFED, or just call up Cellebrite Professional Services for a remote crack on the spot. At a minimum power it down so the best extract they can gank is a before-first-use dump.

  • Post Author
    qgin
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:01 pm

    Hypothetically, what would happen if you did a cloud backup and wiped your phone before going through customs, then restored the phone on the other side?

  • Post Author
    b8
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:01 pm

    Huh, I found this interesting, "Because the agents couldn’t bypass Malik’s password, they sent the phone to a forensics lab, which extracted all the phone’s data.", I wonder how they bypassed his password unless it wasn't fully encrypted. Well AFAIU my Pixel 6A is extractable even withe encryption and a long password via a cellebrite device now. Unsure if GrapheneOS would help prevent extraction.

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    amiga386
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:02 pm

    No, it's not. It's also not safe to live within 100 miles of any border in the US… which is where 2/3rds of all US citizens live… because the CBP decided to themselves that they can search anyone, any time, within 100 miles of any border, for any reason, with no warrant. And sometimes it ignores the 100 mile limit too. So just warrantless searches on anyone of anything at any time for no reason. Warrantless searches all round.

    The EFF and ACLU have been fighting that belief for years. They're making progress but they're not quite there yet.

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/31/us_border_phone_searc…

    But generally speaking, don't bring your real phone to the USA. Bring a burner phone that's empty. Download whatever it is you need on the phone well after you've cleared the border.

  • Post Author
    anonzzzies
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:03 pm

    Outside the EU, I have a travel kit which has a cheap Android phone and cheap Android tablet. Both have convincing stuff on it, but in reality, everything goes via my personal vpn/ssh vnc for which I carry the keys well hidden.

    I have 'nothing to hide' but free speech is not what Elon thinks it means (in many countries), including now, the US. I don't want to be arrested for something I said 10 years ago which was now mined, or hallucinated, by Palantir AI scanning my phone.

  • Post Author
    amiga386
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:09 pm

    Also, the USA is not alone in doing trumped-up bullshit to visitors.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65314605

    The French authorities did not like what a French publisher published about them. So they asked Britain to fuck about with one of the publisher's employees who was going to visit a book fair in London.

    They arrested the employee on terrorism charges, because they demanded to search his phone when he arrived in the UK, and he refused — that's a crime, because the UK is a shit nation with evil laws. That should not be a crime.

  • Post Author
    TacticalCoder
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:13 pm

    [dead]

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    ekianjo
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:16 pm

    It was never safe to travel to the US with your phone since the Patriot Act was in action, since they made it possible to search all your electronics and decide to refuse you entry for any reason.

    It's safer to come with a phone that's completely empty of private information, and re-image it remotely once reaching your destination.

  • Post Author
    xoa
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:17 pm

    No, but while the situation in the US is (relative to our own history and the Constitution) very bad, in this particular instance there is nothing particularly special. It's equally "unsafe" to travel to any country on the planet "with your phone" where that means "your phone as you would go about your day-to-day life with". In many cases far more so since you could face far worse then deportation, but if nothing else every country gets to keep non-citizens out at will and even citizens can still potentially have stuff confiscated for long periods with irksome requirements to get it back, even if they themselves cannot be barred from return under any circumstances.

    Of course, traveling is also a higher risk time anyway in terms of having your phone stolen or lost. So it's definitely not a bad idea regardless to consider workarounds. Used phones drop in value very fast for example while still being extremely powerful and useful given how the pace of improvements in smartphones has leveled off heavily in the last 5 years. Like an iPhone 12 or 13 Pro are still fully supported, likely will be for another 2-4 years, and still solid devices. Both can be readily found at this point for $250-400, something like 1/3 the price of a current gen. Depreciation in price is very fast vs depreciation in relative performance or features. So simply flat out having a phone for travel and not putting anything on it sensitive is an option, and then if something happens it can be abandoned with less concern.

    Alternatively in some cases one could erase their main phone, set it up for travel, and then restore via VPN after crossing borders. This is more trouble then ideally it should be, and depends on either having a high bandwidth connection at your destination or some other workaround (mailing yourself a hard drive for example), but can let you stick to one main device.

    But I'm glad it's getting more attention even from those who typically haven't thought about it. I hope it spurs demand for better technology answers as well. The more convenient privacy and security are the more adoption and the better for all of us.

  • Post Author
    Hizonner
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:25 pm

    It has not safe to cross any international border with your phone, at least if you haven't wiped it, and it hasn't been for ages.

    Which isn't to say that it hasn't gotten a lot worse in the US recently.

  • Post Author
    coolThingsFirst
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:32 pm

    idk what happened to the world 2020 onwards, things are becoming bleak everywhere.

  • Post Author
    EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:35 pm

    I would take a brand new phone, with crowned King Trump as a background, browser history full of Tucker Carlson, and Horst Wessel for a ringtone. Then I'd fly through customs.

    In fact, I often cross borders into/out of totalitarian countries. I usually uninstall all messengers, Firefox, financial and security apps and use Shreddit to wipe the free space. Then I restore everything after crossing the border. My laptop has a large movie file which is really a VeraCrypt volume where all the programs and data sit.

  • Post Author
    chris_engel
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:36 pm

    Not that I am planning to travel to the US at any point but the first thing that came to my mind was: why not just sending the phone by parcel, fly without it and pick it up later on? Even tough I find it embarassing that such hacks are necessary in the first place.

  • Post Author
    bvan
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 1:59 pm

    It’s a sure way to kill tourism.

  • Post Author
    apexalpha
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 2:06 pm

    Our company prohibits it explicitly to bring any work electronics to the US.

    You get a burner and leave it there

  • Post Author
    xqcgrek2
    Posted March 23, 2025 at 2:10 pm

    [flagged]

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