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Is 1 Prime, and Does It Matter? by jamespropp

Is 1 Prime, and Does It Matter? by jamespropp

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    JJMcJ
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:12 pm

    One reason that 1 is often excluded from the prime numbers is that if it was included, it would complicate the theorems, proofs, and exposition by the endless repetition of "not equal to 1".

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    wesselbindt
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:13 pm

    If 1 is prime, then the fundamental theorem of arithmetic goes from "every positive integer can be written as a product* of primes in one and only one way" to "every positive integer can be written as a product of primes greater than 1 in one and only one way". Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. So just from an aesthetic perspective, no I'd rather 1 isn't a prime number.

    * empty products being 1 of course

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    dullcrisp
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:16 pm

    This is like a "do arrays start at 0 or 1" question, except as they mention, algebraic number theory pretty much settles it. Whether 0 is a natural number though is still open for bikeshedding.

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    cogman10
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:20 pm

    I'm sure it depends on the definition of prime. I've always been partial to "Any integer with exactly 2 divisors". Short, simple, and it excludes 1 and negative numbers.

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    mathemadigal
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:21 pm

    I think we’ll need to wait for an answer to if there is a prime number generating function.

    At that time we can determine if 1 is prime.

    If it’s found that Eratosthenes’ sieve is the only prime generating function then we have our answer.

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    SkySkimmer
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:27 pm

    Since 2 is prime 1, wouldn't it be more symmetric if 1 was prime 2?

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    munchler
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    Other good nerd-sniping math questions:

    0^0 = 1? Yes, it’s simpler that way.

    0! = 1? Yes, it’s simpler that way.

    0/0 = ∞? No, it’s undefined.

    0.9999… = 1? Yes, it’s just two ways of expressing the same number.

    1+2+3+… = -1/12? No, but if it did have a finite value, that’s what it would be.

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    unit149
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:46 pm

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    robinhouston
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:53 pm

    Another very interesting article on the primality of 1 is Evelyn Lamb's _Why isn't 1 a prime number?_ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/roots-of-unity/why-i…)

    A slightly facetious answer might be that this is the wrong question to ask, and the right question is: when did 1 stop being a prime number? To which the answer is: some time between 1933 (when the 6th edition of Hardy's _A course in pure mathematics_ was published) and 1938 (when the 7th edition was published).

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    ks2048
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:54 pm

    Can we declare 2 composite? Kind of annoying to have an even number in there.

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    jconder
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:58 pm

    Odd to see an article about prime numbers with no mention of ideals. If (1) was a prime ideal then it would be the only non-maximal prime ideal. And it would be the only closed point in Spec(Z)…

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    feoren
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    All models are wrong, but some models are useful. It's not useful to consider 1 prime, so we don't. You're free to invent a new model of math where 1 is prime and see where it takes you; nobody will be offended. This happens all the time: "but what if we could take the square root of a negative number? What then?", etc. 99% of the time, this leads to a theory that is provably inconsistent and therefore useless. Out of the remaining 1%, about 99% of the time it leads to a mathematics that is simply less useful than what we have now. So it goes with making 1 prime. Out of the remaining cases, about 99% of those turn out to be identical to an already existing mathematical theory, which is interesting (and possibly publishable), but not hugely useful. But about 1% of 1% of 1% of the time, these exercises result in actual new math that can tell us new things about reality and solve problems we couldn't solve before.

    This is not one of those times.

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    alganet
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    "Only divisible by itself and 1" is a darn elegant definition.

    1, 2 and 3 are kind of special to me. In prime distribution studies, I discovered that they are special. It gets easier for some things if you consider primes only higher or equal to 5. Explaining distribution gets easier, some proofs become more obvious if you do that (tiny example: draw a ulam-like spiral around the numbers of an analog clock. 2 and 3 will become outliers and a distribution will reveal itself along the 1, 5, 7 and 11 diagonals).

    Anyways, "only divisible by itself and 1" is a darn elegant definition.

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    scythe
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 9:33 pm

    1 is not a prime number because it would ruin the Euler product formula for the Riemann zeta function.

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    EnPissant
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 9:33 pm

    In programmer terms, imagine you had to define the product function in Python. The most natural way to write it is:

        >>> def product(ints):
        ...   result = 1
        ...   for int in ints:
        ...     result *= int
        ...   return result
    

    In which case there is no need to make 1 a prime as you already have:

        >>> product([])
        1

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    2OEH8eoCRo0
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 10:17 pm

    1 x 1 = 1

    1 x 1 x 1 = 1

    Not prime!

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    pwdisswordfishz
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 10:22 pm

    > One way in which 1 “quacks” like a prime is the way it accords with Euclid’s Lemma, the principle that asserts that if p is a prime, then whenever the product of two integers is divisible by p, one of the two numbers or both must be divisible by p.

    This is debunked by https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/too+simple+to+be+simple#relati…

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    pabenson
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 10:43 pm

    Since 1 is the multiplicative identity (x * 1 = x for any x in the set) and any definition of "prime" needs to use multiplication then one way or another 1 is going to be special when talking about primes whether it is included in the set of prime numbers or not. You can't avoid 1 being "special"

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    scoofy
    Posted April 21, 2025 at 11:24 pm

    Just a note from your friendly philosophy degree holder:

    Axioms are arbitrary. Use the axioms that are the most useful.

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    pyfon
    Posted April 22, 2025 at 12:57 am

    What does primarily look like with the addition operation instead of multiply? 1,2,4,8,…? Or indeed just 1 alone lol! (Yes 1 is there because zero is the additive identity)

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    sepidy
    Posted April 22, 2025 at 1:06 am

    I think 1 is so different from other numbers, it seems that in the past, some people did consider 1 to be a prime number. However, by the early 1900s, mathematicians agreed to exclude 1 from the list of primes to keep mathematical rules clear and consistent.

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    77pt77
    Posted April 22, 2025 at 1:13 am

    If it is unique factorization in terms of prime numbers goes out of the window and that is the main reason it usually isn;t considered.

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    amavect
    Posted April 22, 2025 at 1:37 am

    Some other definition fun: Should we define 0 both positive and negative, or neither positive and negative? Does monotonically increasing mean x<y -> f(y)<f(x) or x≤y -> f(x)≤f(y)? Should we deny the law of excluded middle and use constructive math? Does infinity exist? If infinity exists, is it actual (as an object) or potential (as a function)? Is the axiom of choice true? Or, is the axiom of determinacy true?

    Should we use a space-time manifold, or separate space and time dimensions? Do future objects exist, and do past objects exist? Do statements about the future have a definite truth value? Does Searle's Chinese Room think? Which Ship of Theseus is the original: the slowly replaced ship, or the ship rebuilt from the original parts?

    I find that so many philosophy debates actually argue over definitions rather than practical matters, because definitions do matter. Well, add your own fun definition questions!

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    AStonesThrow
    Posted April 22, 2025 at 4:42 am

    I've been fascinated by numbers lately, and one of my go-to tools is a simple mobile app that calculates all the divisors of a given number. So I can determine prime numbers, and readily factor the non-primes. And it's been eye-opening.

    Now I'm no crackpot numerologist, adding up the numerical values of Bill Gates' name, or telling you who shot JFK. But I can tell you that the main launch pad 39A at Cape Kennedy was not numbered by accident — look it up in the Book of Psalms. And it's interesting how the city buses around here are numbered. For example, the 68xx series; I look up Psalm 68 and I can definitely imagine the bus singing that as it lumbers down the road — can't you?

    Back to primes — if we consider the top numbers authorities of our times, such as the US Post Office, city planners, and the telephone company (circa 1970s). I ran a chunk of ZIP codes from Southern California and discovered that some are the factors of two quite large prime numbers. Others yield interesting factors. Once again I pull out my Book of Psalms.

    There are plenty of other "hermeneutics" to interpret assigned numbers, especially street addresses. And as for phone numbers, I've gone back to figuring out "what do they spell" on a standard TouchTone keypad, because sometimes it's quite informative.

    It's no accident, for example, that the hospital where I was born is located at 4077 5th Avenue. And that number assigned by city planners, many decades before M*A*S*H was written or went on TV. Significant nonetheless.

    I also figured out a few prime numbers related to my own life, and others that are recurring tropes, just cropping up at interesting times. What's your social security number? Have you sort of broken it down and pondered if those numbers turned up again and again in your life? Every time I see a number now, I'm compulsively factoring it out in my head. Is it prime? It feels prime. I'll check it in the app later; try some mental math for now.

    I'm also counting things more often now. How many spokes in a wheel? How many petals in a flower, especially a flower depicted in art. How many brick courses in that interesting wall they built? Plug any interesting numbers back into the divisors app. Finding the primes, find the factors, just ponder numeric coincidences. It's fun. So many signs and signals, hidden in plain sight before us. Buses singing Psalm 68 as they take on passengers. Launch pads singing Psalm 39 as Europa Clipper slips the surly bonds of Earth. What's on your telephone dial?

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