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I wrote to the address in the GPLv2 license notice (2022) by ekiauhce

I wrote to the address in the GPLv2 license notice (2022) by ekiauhce

I wrote to the address in the GPLv2 license notice (2022) by ekiauhce

21 Comments

  • Post Author
    froh
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:32 pm

    (2022)

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    NoboruWataya
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:38 pm

    Not sure if it's being exaggerated for comedic purposes but it is interesting to me how alien the act of sending a letter by post is to the author. Granted I don't send them very often but I wouldn't think much of it if I had to. But I guess younger people and particularly those in tech may genuinely never need a reason to send a letter (or, it seems, write an address by hand).

  • Post Author
    diggan
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:41 pm

    > The first thing that came to attention, the paper that the text was printed on wasn’t an A4, it was smaller and not a size I was familiar with. I measured it and found that it’s a US letter size paper at about 21.5cm x 27.9cm. I completely forgot that the US, Canada, and a few other countries don’t follow the standard international paper sizes, even though I had written about it earlier.

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the US and some other countries decided to do things differently… As a European, I don't think I've ever seen something not A4 or A3/A4 in a professional context in my life, ever. Are US letter sizes what people use instead of A4 in a workplace for documents and such (seems confusing if so), and do printers sold in the US default to US letter sizes when printing? Or just happens to be something FSF only seem to be doing?

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    PaulRobinson
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:45 pm

    I'm interested in hearing from someone at FSF (and I used to know someone, but I don't think he's there any more), who can tell us how often this has happened. I can't imagine it's a frequent occurrence.

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    gwd
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:49 pm

    > Writing the address on the envelope was awkward, as I haven’t used a pen in several years; it took a few attempts and some wasted envelopes…

    Wow — I mean, sure, I don't use a pen that often, but I'm sure I hand-write something at least once a month…

  • Post Author
    WaitWaitWha
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:52 pm

    This was written in 2022. Do people still know how to postal-mail things? Asking as the acquisition of envelope, paper and stamps read like a new adventure for the author.

    I make a practice of sending (picture) postcards to each of my descendants, when i arrive at a new place. It is a very rare occasion when I can find them, even rarer for the vendor to know what they are. Once the vendor was insisting that a flash card (smallish, lined cards for taking notes) was indeed a postcard. Sadly, I often have to buy them at the airport on arrival.

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    cormorant
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:54 pm

    Different addresses are stated in different copies of the license. https://opensource.org/license/gpl-2-0 has: "59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA"

    https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt has no postal address.

    https://spdx.org/licenses/GPL-2.0-only.html has "51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA" in red italics, and says: "
    Text in red is replaceable (see Matching Guidelines B.3.4). License or exception text will match to the text for the specified identifier if it includes a permitted variant of this replaceable text. The permitted variants can be found in the corresponding regular expression as shown in title text visible by hovering over the red text."

    Which in turn says: "can be replaced with the pattern .{54,64}" (that is, any string between 54-64 characters long).

  • Post Author
    yapyap
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:57 pm

    > as I haven’t used a pen in several years

    Lol this is a bit ridiculous but a fun blogpost!

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    pabs3
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 12:57 pm

    The FSF has moved address at least once, and more recently, now closed their offices entirely. I wonder if the new owners of their old addresses will or did get confused by copy-of-GPL requests.

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    bluGill
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:01 pm

    At least he got a response. Meaning the address didn't change mostly.

    A few years back I worked on an embedded linux project. For our first "alpha" release one of the testers read through the license agreement (as opposed to scrolling past all that legalese like most people do) and found the address to write to to get all the GPL source, he then send a letter to the address and it was returned to sender, invalid address. Somehow the lawyers found out about this and the forced us to do a full recall, sending techs to each machine to install an update (the testers installed the original software and were expected to apply updates, but we still had to send someone to install this update and track that everyone got it). Lawyers want to show good faith in courts – they consider it inevitable that someone will violate the GPL and are hoping that by showing good faith attempts to follow the letter and spirit the court won't force releasing our code when a "rouge employee" manages to violate the license.

    The more important take away is if your automated test process doesn't send letters to your GPL compliance address to verify it works then you need manual testers: not only are you not testing everything, but you didn't even think of everything so you need the assurance of humans looking for something "funny".

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    terinjokes
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:06 pm

    A few countries I'll be visiting this summer still sell International Reply Coupons. It might be interesting to pick some up and see how difficult it is to exchange them. Would a PostNL point even know what to do with one?

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    maxloh
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:07 pm

    Perhaps the FSF got confused about which license the author was referring to, or perhaps they intentionally mailed back GPL v3 — this isn't the first time they haven't been generous.

    In the old days when they released GPL v3, Linus Torvalds considered it "not the same license at all". He felt betrayed because the FSF "try to sneak in these new (tivoization) rules and try to force everybody to upgrade". People could fork the Kernel and relicense the fork in a way that prevented him from merging their improvements upstream. He referred to the FSF's move as "dishonest", "sneaky" and "immoral" and decided he would "never have anything to do with the FSF again".

    https://youtu.be/PaKIZ7gJlRU

  • Post Author
    roywashere
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:34 pm

    That reminds me on the time the FSF moved, they changed their address, and the open source product I worked on had to change their address in the license notices in our product:

    https://github.com/moritz/otrs/commit/e845575e1848fd0124fb8d…

    And of course, as happens more often, this issue was raised to us by Debian developers, who care a great deal about 'correctness'

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    sinuhe69
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:44 pm

    It would be a perfect story for the "Dull Men Center" or alike :D

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    martopix
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:46 pm

    Writing the address on the envelope was awkward, as I haven’t used a pen in several years;

    Really??

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    VikingCoder
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:49 pm

    I think these licenses are incredibly useful.

    I have a really, really dumb question.

    Why don't we have more licenses and contracts like this? Do we just need to set up a foundation that drafts them and makes them freely available to use?

    Like, for instance, "Hi, Mark – we'd like to offer you a job here at our daycare, but first we need you to look over this contract and sign it."

    This contract says, roughly, that if there's an accusation of sexual abuse against children that it will go to a mediator who has final say, and if they say it was a credible accusation, that Mark immediately loses his job, and can never work anywhere that uses this same contract, ever again. Sorry, you lost your chance to work with kids. It sucks that it might have been a false accusation, but our kids are just far too important to trust to the existing systems.

    Guess what? Churches should follow a similar license. Letting priests or pastors move from town to town, abusing kids? That was completely bonkers insane. And I feel like a contract like this (and a registry, and etc.) could have helped. If people forced their daycares and churches to accept a license like this.

    Another one, "Hi, Greg. We understand we'd like your endorsement from our political party? Sounds good, here's a contract for you…"

    It says, among other things, that if Greg switches political parties that he must resign from office. Sorry. He's welcome to run again, but he can't stay in office on our votes.

    Like, shouldn't we have more contracts like this?

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    rietta
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 1:50 pm

    I am impressed that the FSF has kept up the same office / mailing address for 32 years at the time the article was written!

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    yukiAkita
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 2:48 pm

    Sure but, on the other hand, this was overly kind of him.

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    low_tech_punk
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 3:04 pm

    Exploring implications of an absolute physical address. FSF basically claimed a physical "domain name" and no future organizations will be able to reside in that address. FSF can move out and ask USPS to do a 301 Moved Permanently or 308 Permanent Redirect.

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    crmi
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 3:18 pm

    > After a few weeks of waiting, I eventually received the ‘African Daisy global forever vert pair’ stamp which was round! I should have noticed that the seller sent me the item using stamps at a much lower denomination that those I had ordered. Oh well.

    Wild that so many commenters don't see the satire dripping from the post.
    Is it just a UK thing to never take things at face value?

  • Post Author
    davisr
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 4:21 pm

    This is funny because I was the operations assistant (office secretary) at the time we received this letter, and I remember it because of the distinct postage.

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