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carlmr
Having to clarify that it's not a warning is a warning.
comprev
> The country's foreign ministry clarified the updated guidance doesn’t constitute an official travel warning to the US.
Clickbait headline. Nothing has changed officially.
aktuel
As I said before, I would not travel to the US unless my life depends on it.
fabian2k
I think the perception is the much bigger story here than the actual change in advice by German authorities. Traveling to the US (and other countries as well) always had the chance to trigger some overzealous enforcement and/or arbitrary rejection or detainment.
But the current US government is very strongly ramping up the rethoric and actions in that area, so the risk increased and will very likely increase further. That creates an enormous amount of uncertainty and this uncertainty will have effects. For some people (white, from western countries) this is probably still a very low risk, but anyone that fits the target profile of the new government is in much more danger.
I don't want to downplay this by pointing to perception, but in the end the perception is much more likely to affect the behaviour of visitors than the murky real change. Even at a low chance, people quite justifiably don't want to risk geting locked up in a cold cell for an arbitrary amount of time. And the perception matters much more here than the quantifiable risk of getting detained.
afandian
UK also. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-beefs-up-travel-war…
thegreatpeter
"A criminal conviction in the United States, false information regarding the purpose of stay, or even a slight overstay of the visa upon entry or exit can lead to arrest, detention, and deportation upon entry or exit," information on the ministry's website now explicitly says.“
Surac
Trump talked about "Shithole Countrys" on 1/12/2018. I am sure he talked about the future of the USA
Sharlin
The Foreign Ministry of Finland issued an advisory that ESTA and visa rules have been changed to require that the gender entered must be the assigned-at-birth one (for the obvious discriminatory reasons). If you current travel documents don’t match that, well, good luck.
(Edit: Heh, apparently this comment is downvoted for stating facts.)
thegreatpeter
"A criminal conviction in the United States, false information regarding the purpose of stay, or even a slight overstay of the visa upon entry or exit can lead to arrest, detention, and deportation upon entry or exit," information on the ministry's website now explicitly says.
That’s the updated guideline if you’re only reading titles
jlg23
This is travel advice I've been following for 25 years; because, as the article states, the rules are not new: Go through a port of entry that is not on US soil so being refused entry does not lead to incarceration and deportation. For people in the EU, Dublin is such a port of entry. Once on a plane from there, arrival in the US is the same as for a domestic flight.
AhdJa
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BigglesB
Was actually planning to be at GDC this week & while there were other factors at play, the clincher was a feeling that there’s now a non-zero risk of getting caught up in some serious nightmare scenario like this. Seemed pretty self evident that the new administration’s rhetoric even a couple of months ago was paving the way to fascist authoritarianism & I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Tbh, even having a post like this in my user history is apparently the sort of thing that could cause complications at the border! So much for “free speech absolutism”. Makes me wonder how many others will stay silent to minimise that risk & whether that’ll lead to an illusion of support for these policies…
JSR_FDED
I used to think that letting my foreign affairs ministry know I was travelling was BS. But 100% I will be doing that for my next trip to the USA.
ionwake
Sorry for a noob question, but aren't the tourists from western european countries exactly who the country WANT to let in? Or is the USA against allowing even the Germans in?
graycat
The US needs:
(1) To be strict and strong on illegal immigration.
(2) To be welcoming, courteous, gracious, flexible, understanding, and helpful otherwise.
consumer451
As Europeans look upon what is happening in the USA and think "that could not happen here…"
Please be aware that what happened in the USA was largely a product of Fox News (News Corp.)
While still in their nascent forms, the EU equivalents are Axel Springer [0] and Euronews [1]. If what happened in the USA is to be avoided in the EU, then these extremely ideological news publishers must be tarred and feathered as soon as possible. Avoiding the path of the USA is the greatest task of our time.
[0] https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/06/axel-springer-politico-… (Politico, Bild, and more!)
[1] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/04/11/orban-s… (Victor Orban)
timonoko
Weird thing was that one time USA had Finnish-speaking customs officer at US-Mexico border. Reason was that Finnish Passport was printed or sold in Russia en mass.
Russian cannot pronounce any of the vowels in "HYVÄÄ PÄIVÄÄ". That is what the American Copper said and I was momentarily stunned speechless and some tension was observable, but I then answered appropriately and the immigration officer's interview was over.