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Discworld Rules by jger15

Discworld Rules by jger15

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  • Post Author
    megadata
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 1:45 pm

    There are many ways of rightly praising Discword without sucker punching LOTR.

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    dcminter
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 1:49 pm

    I mean addressing the initial proposition – of course a work of satire/parody of the real world is going to be a better basis for thinking about the real world than a work of escapism!

    The rest of it, I think, won't persuade anyone to read Discworld novels who's resisted them so far. Those who have and love them will find it a pleasant enough survey.

    Oh and I personally think that Equal Rites is the best entry point to the series rather than Sourcery. But then I was reading them in publishing order anyway and eagerly waiting for each new one to come out. Damn I miss being able to look forward to a new Pratchett novel; he was a Wodehouse for my generation.

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    crowselect
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 1:54 pm

    As someone who deeply loves LOTR – if you try to apply the rules of LOTR to this world, you will make this world worse. This is true. Inheritance and monarchy does not make for a good government, and we know this.

    But LOTR is about vibes not facts. Friendship, loyalty, hope, doing the right thing with what power you have, appreciating what is good and green and gentle in the world, etc.

    > the more seriously you take Middle Earth, the dumber you get about Roundworld

    The more seriously you take the rules of LOTR, yes. But you can take LOTR seriously without taking the rules seriously – by taking the vibes seriously.

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    IsTom
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:06 pm

    > Roundworld isn’t even modeled in the Middle Earth cosmology

    Middle-earth is a fantasy history of England and we're in sixth age (or something like that) of it.

    It becomes round with the third age.

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    ChrisMarshallNY
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:07 pm

    I always loved Sir Terry's depictions of Ankh-Morpork.

    It was a crazy, deeply dysfunctional city, full of crazy, dysfunctional people, but he obviously loved it, and the reader ends up loving the city, as well.

    I think that's a fairly accurate way to look at the world around us.

    I believe that Tolkien's depictions of Mordor and the Shire, came from his own personal experiences in the trenches of WWI, so I'd argue that LOTR actually has some fairly significant reflection on the real world.

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    ledauphin
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:16 pm

    I'm equal parts amused and bewildered that this author with so many interesting thoughts has managed not to see what pretty much every other serious reader of Lord of the Rings has pointed out over decades – the entire story is about a weak and almost completely unknown set of people who were "chosen" only by the most inexplicable series of events anyone could imagine – who through no inherent power of their own manage to save the world by nothing more or less than the choice to be kind to a pitiful (though clearly treacherous) creature… and who then go right back home where they belong, dismissing any notion of chosenness beyond the ordinary sort where everyone is chosen to do what is good for their neighbors.

    the Hobbits pursued not greatness or destiny, but took the only path toward life available to them and then returned to let the rest of the world get on with living.

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    bix6
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:23 pm

    Please don’t let the few who have co-opted LOTR ruin it for the rest of us. It is a shame though, I wear my Palantir shirt very infrequently now.

    I’m currently on book 2 of Discworld and finding it ludicrously enjoyable. Its absurdity makes it feel like an antidote to many things.

    It feels more fantasy than “hardest of hard sci fi” to me though? And I think the space suit was broken so is it a good model for tech?

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    t-3
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:26 pm

    > (except the Tiffany Aching ones)

    Those are actually some of the better ones among the later books though! If you're going to skip, skip the Moist von Lipwig books. They're substantially worse than the other books in the series, IMO. Not too big a fan of the Watch books after Night Watch either (Night Watch was definitely peak Vimes though!).

    > These are books you cannot really appreciate if you’re too young.

    Other than maybe missing one or two sex jokes, not really?

    > The only story revolving consequentially around gods is Small Gods, about a meme-stock god named GameStop, whose power crashes, and who ambitiously plans to pump himself back up to a new high.

    Did an LLM hallucinate or is this supposed to be a joke? The god's name is Om.

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    InkCanon
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:28 pm

    Seems like this "Chiang's law" would fail in Discworld, where both people and technology are strange.

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    DarkNova6
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:41 pm

    The inherent misconception of the author is about “seriousness”. His hypothesis is that taking Discworld serious is “good”, while taking LOTR as serious is “bad”.

    No, it’s really about taking either universe at face value, which is the problem. And with Discworld, its overt absurdity and humor forces you to think about it more deeply.

    LOTR doesn’t make an effort to explain what it is about. But knowing just a little about history and the author goes a long way.

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    travisgriggs
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:42 pm

    “The more seriously you take Discworld, the smarter you get about Roundworld.”

    Love that.

    I love LoTR too. I would never feel the need to pick one OR the other. It’s not about WHICH. Much better to love BOTH. AND is the correct operator to place between these two great sets of works.

    I think an under appreciated subset of Discworld is the Tiffany Aching series. If you really want to see Pratchett’s notions of “good morality” on display, these model it the best IMO.

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    the_af
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:45 pm

    I advice everyone not to follow the TFA's author's example and do read Tiffany Aching series, which is one of the best. Yes, it's marketed as YA fiction, but disregard: it's exactly the same style and themes as the rest of Discworld, and as good or better.

    Also, the author does a disservice to Small Gods (also, oddly names the god Om as GamesStop, was that humor?), but this novel is one of the best ones in my opinion — self-contained and both humorous and strangely moving.

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    breckenedge
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:54 pm

    How does it compare to the Culture series? I’ve been reading that lately and enjoying it. Almost done though, so looking for the next series to pick up.

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    thih9
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 2:58 pm

    > Now, for those of you who haven’t read the Discworld series, it is basically the anti-LOTR.

    This seems very wrong. Discworld heroes value the power of legends, LOTR heroes live for everyday life and sillines. While different on the outside, the essence of these books can be quite similar.

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    egypturnash
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 3:07 pm

    > The Auditors of Reality are particularly interesting. They are the Discworld edition of what I’ve called the Great Bureaucrat archetype elsewhere. Their ideology is something like the Wokism of Discworld, a deadening, stifling, faceless force of intersectional lifelessness.

    what

    Man this dude sure has a definition of “woke” that is completely alien to the roots of that term.

    > I read one Pratchett novel (Thief of Time I think) in college, but I’m glad I didn’t properly get into it till my mid-forties. These are books you cannot really appreciate if you’re too young. I read through the lot around 2017-19, during the first Trump admin, when I was in my early forties.

    what

    Dude they are comic fantasy, yes Pratchett has Things to Say about the world in them, more and more as the series goes on, but I picked up Equal Rites soon after it came out when I was eighteen and the series was a constant delight through my college years and beyond. Yes there are things in
    Discworld that will zoom right by a kid and only land when you come back to it as an adult. That’s part of why they’re good books. There’s things like that in Lloyd Alexander’s Prydain Cycle (Book of Three, Black Cauldron, etc) that hit me like a ton of bricks when I pick up those little books forty years after I first read them as a kid and completely missed those parts. Stories can speak to multiple ages on multiple levels.

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    anastasiapenova
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 3:31 pm

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    Vsolar
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 3:35 pm

    I always found Pratchett's novels to be amazing sources of humor and creativity. I'm glad I'm not alone on that one.

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    rdtsc
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    > And it only gets sillier from there.

    That’s exactly where it fails for me: it is too cute, like a longer than necessary joke.

    It’s just not my cup of tea to read and think “oh yeah, I see they inverted the thing, very cute, they even have the elephants and the turtles”. It’s ok but maybe for a short essay or a comic book only.

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    cancerhacker
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 4:21 pm

    I love discworld and prosetyilize its virtues when and where I can, but two thoughts about this:

    1 – why not both?

    2 – via MST3K “If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, And other science facts…(la! la! la!) Then repeat to yourself its just a show, I should really just relax…”

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    karaterobot
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 4:29 pm

    > I won’t get into whether Discworld is better or worse as a fictional universe than Middle Earth.

    "I won't get into which book is better, today I am only evaluating these books according to a set of rules I am making up, to see which succeeds at something neither author set out to achieve, and which most readers don't know or care about, and which is ultimately just an analogy for something else. Intrigued? Read on!"

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    ben_
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 4:34 pm

    > Their ideology is something like the Wokism of Discworld, a deadening, stifling, faceless force of intersectional lifelessness.

    What? Do words even have meaning anymore? How is that anything to do with being "woke"?

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    joeconway
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 4:35 pm

    “As an extended allegory for society and technology it absolutely sucks and is also ludicrously wrong-headed”

    > As for any inner meaning or ‘message’, it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical

    Tolkien himself in the foreword to fellowship

    This person needs to cool it with the pseudo intellectualism and let people enjoy things

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    Pfhortune
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 5:43 pm

    The idea of crypto as a force for plurality is baffling. Crypto is just as controlled by the “sourcerers” of round world as state controlled fiat currency. Distributed ledgers make no difference here. It’s still just “chosen ones” projecting their power.
    And the jab at “wokism” is pretty ironic, as the right has been making a very overt push for rendering culture into a grey goo, by quashing diversity.

  • Post Author
    Woodsandra
    Posted March 8, 2025 at 5:53 pm

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