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Careless People by Aldipower

Careless People by Aldipower

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    bk496
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:07 am

    How abstract is this book? Are there many examples of things that are relevant at meta today, especially on the web and developer front?

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    brickfaced
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:10 am

    [flagged]

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    matthewdgreen
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:11 am

    I’m only part of the way through the book, so have nothing to spoil here. But it’s entertaining. And shocking. The author will relate a scene that’s so absurd that you think “ah, this can’t be true, this is made up for dramatic effect, nobody would act like that” and then you Google it and you realize the absurd thing is totally true and was fully documented at the time. All the author is adding is a perspective from the inside.

    I understand why Facebook people might have wanted the book to go away. That their attempt to do so comically backfired and resulted in entirely the opposite effect, well, that’s also pretty much what you’d expect from this crew after reading the book.

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    foobarkey
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:13 am

    Its a good book I read it, the only thing that she messed up though is not letting her exec level shares vest and be quiet until then imo :)

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    grunder_advice
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:21 am

    Whenever these kind of articles pop up, I always think how sad it is that PyTorch, Llama and many widely used opens source projects are tied to Meta.

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    TheAceOfHearts
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:21 am

    > There's Zuck, whose underlings let him win at board-games like Settlers of Catan because he's a manbaby who can't lose (and who accuses Wynn-Williams of cheating when she fails to throw a game of Ticket to Ride while they're flying in his private jet).

    Why does this seem to be a recurring pattern among the modern ultrawealthy? Does anyone who fails to bend over backwards for them just end up getting exiled? Have the elites through history always been this insecure or is it a modern phenomenon?

    If you're wildly successful at something with significant real world influence, why would you care so strongly about something as relatively inconsequential as a board game or a video game? Being good at any kind of game is mostly a function of how much time and energy you've invested into it. If you claim to be an extremely hardcore worker who has any kind of family life there just aren't any leftover hours in the day for you to grind a top position in a game. And anyway, if you're playing games for fun and to bond with people, you probably shouldn't be playing tryhard optimal strategies every game, and should instead explore and experiment with more creative strategies. This is a lesson that took me a while to learn.

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    K0nserv
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:32 am

    The book is a good read and she also testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee[0], repeating many of the claims from the book under oath. One of the striking things is that it's clear that Mark and several others from Facebook perjured themselves in prior hearings. I expect there will be no consequence for this.

    0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DAnORfgB8

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    vmurthy
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:34 am

    I read the book. It’s a very interesting read. A few things stood out ( no spoilers )

    – Casual indifference at exec level to atrocities happening because of FB/ Meta.

    – Money/power does make you insensitive

    – Tech bro view of the world permeates most decisions that Meta takes.

    – Casual sexual harassment for women ( follows from the tech bro worldview I guess )

    – US centric world view influencing how execs treat world leaders.

    All in all worth a read or two!

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    lud_lite
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:36 am

    Don't mess with a Kiwi I guess :)

    That said FB sounds evil not careless.

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    ewest
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:41 am

    I'm responding to TheAceOfHearts, I can't seem to reply directly to the original comment.

    The question was "if you're wildly successful at something with significant real world influence, why would you care so strongly about something as relatively inconsequential as a board game or a video game?"

    You kind of answered the question yourself. He cares so much because he is successful in something else and has extended that need for success into other areas of his life. It seems this is common among successful people, they try to be successful in everything else in their lives, perhaps not realizing they might have got lucky in one area and are convinced they can apply that to all other areas of their lives.

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    ryandrake
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 10:59 am

    This book probably could have been written about any major company. Our corporate system's built-in moral imperative that profits must be optimized above absolutely everything else virtually guarantees that these kind of people end up at the top of each and every one of them.

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    baritone
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 11:09 am

    I look forward to reading the book, but I’m not anti-Zuck.

    Individuals can change the world. Groups with ideology can change the world.

    This is why many of us are here at HN- for the discussion of ideas and for idealism.

    Few want to be supreme jerks that ruin things on a massive scale.

    Zuck, if you’re reading this- thanks for being part of the thing that allowed me to continue communication with my friends when they weren’t nearby, and thanks for continuing to provide that for my children.

    Are things fucked up? Were lives ruined? Sure. We all fuck shit up and ruin lives, some of us more than others. Then we own up to that as much as we can and use what we have left to try to continue doing what we did before to try to make the world a better place.

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    UnreachableCode
    Posted April 24, 2025 at 11:10 am

    > "[Zuck] blows key meetings because he refuses to get out of bed before noon."

    Is this meant to be taken literally or is it an expression for arrogance?

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