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A Map of British Dialects (2023) by gregorvand

A Map of British Dialects (2023) by gregorvand

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    zeristor
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 8:58 am

    Corbyite. Sounds like a mineral formed when Iron-Bru percolates through sandstone.

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    n4r9
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:00 am

    Love seeing Pompey on there. Ryan Starkey is no dinlo.

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    thinkingemote
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:03 am

    I like Kent and Sussex accents. Rod Hull (carer of Emus) had a good one.

    "We wunt be druv" is the Sussex motto:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_wunt_be_druv

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    b800h
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:09 am

    When is this map from? 1955?

    Essex accents had travelled well into Hertfordshire by the 1970s. Cockney has evaporated and the condensate largely landed in Essex and Hertfordshire.

    Do people really speak Kentish in most of Kent? Or is it a mix of Modern Estuary, MLE (multicultural London English) and RP (received pronunciation)?

    I know the author says that the map will always be wrong, I understand that, but this map is badly out of date.

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    smitty1e
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:22 am

    https://cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/ is the chicken dinner!

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    dijit
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:26 am

    According to this I am from one of the smallest Dialect regions (Coventry)- I really wonder why it could be a dialectical enclave; I am aware that the Forest of Arden divided Coventry from Birmingham and the Black Country making them distinct, but I had no idea that it was such an isolated dialect.

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    martinrue
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:28 am

    Why are there so few on this map? Seems wrong to me :)

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    gregorvand
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:28 am

    Too specific for this map but there's also an intriguing case of town in England called Corby, where people speak mainly with a Scottish accent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28225325. Pretty fascinating.

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    amiga386
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:29 am

    Fa says aat? Fowks dinnae spik "Grumpian" up in Aiberdeen, they spik'i Doric.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doric_dialect_%28Scotland%29

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    _fw
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:36 am

    This is good but it’s not diverse enough for North West England. In ‘Wigan’ (as shown on the map) you’ve got the Oldham/Bolton accents (book – bewk; first – fussed) which are similar but as distinct as Brummie/Black Country.

    In Merseyside you’ve also got Wools/Scousers, each with different patter and pronunciation. Not to mention Warrington and its accent further East.

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    zeristor
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:41 am

    Perhaps it’s gone out I can remember a Leytonstone accent, and a Barnet one. But that’s accents not a dialect.

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    PaulRobinson
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:46 am

    The accent and dialect changes every 20 miles or so, so this is obviously a bit vague.

    We can’t even agree on what to call a bread roll [0] never mind how some words should be pronounced [1].

    My mother was brought up in Liverpool, but her (Irish immigrant) mother hated the Bootle accent so much that she taught her, and her older sister, to speak something closer to RP.

    That washed off, and like her I got bullied at school in North Derbyshire for speaking “too posh”. Yet locals in my new home of London clearly place me as being from the North but can’t place where. To be honest neither can most Northerners. I think I’m broadly “South Pennine”, so a bit of High Peak, a bit of Manchester, the odd spot of Lancashire or even West Yorkshire – reflects where I grew up, went to Uni, lived, and socialised with. My partner has a similar accent despite growing up in a part of Manchester with a distinct accent and dialect of its own.

    The point is, it’s complex and it’s changing. And it’s not just the UK. It seems to have sped up in recent years. When I hear Canadian voices from 70 years ago, I can hear Scottish tinges. Likewise the US East coast of the mid-20th century had more West Country in it than today.

    It was only a friend’s grandfathers generation that could tell what street someone grew up on from their voice alone, and today we are increasingly homogenised – I wonder what “English” will sound like in 200 or 500 years.

    [0] https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/bread/

    [1] https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/class-farce/

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    dogman1050
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 9:53 am

    I find this fascinating. Didn't see it in the article, but I wonder how many people speak each dialect. Since of those areas are very small.

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    pat_springleaf
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:07 am

    The thing is, this sort of thing can never be represented with borders.

    A more accurate map might be ones akin to wildlife population maps, with splodges dotted around the country. Many accents exist in the same place and depend on a huge range of factors like class, immigration statistics, and geographic isolation.

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    bjackman
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:10 am

    I think something important to explain about British English dialects is the class factor.

    It's easy to forget because the classic RP accents have largely died out, but the way I was brought up to speak (actively! My parents would "correct" my speech patterns) is much more reflective of class than locality. This is the case throughout England at least. Brits take this for granted but it's not the global norm!

    In many British cities there is also a major race axis to dialects too. Just like how American English has black and white accents, you could make a better-than-chance guess at a modern Londoner's ethnicity from a recording of their voice. (See Multicultural London English).

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    smackay
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:17 am

    A somewhat public thank you to Donald Omand from Aberdeen University for all the work he did in documenting the dialect of Caithness – that purple-ish bit at the far top right of the Scottish mainland.

    https://www.wickvoices.co.uk/voices_listen.php?id=0806202309…

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    fossgeller
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:19 am

    I was just thinking about the variety of british dialects, have been consuming more UK media recently.

    It would have been even more interesting to have an interactive map that also has audio files linked to it.

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    pyb
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:30 am

    "You will find the same thing in […] France".

    Actually, you don't. Strong regional accents are pretty rare compared to the UK or Germany

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    rob_c
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 10:52 am

    If you find cockney over that area over something non British I would be impressed.

    Source, have lived in said area.

    Interesting, but more of a measure of what has been lost in some parts of the country to change.

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    coffeeking001
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:13 am

    [dead]

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    beardyw
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:28 am

    Waze has decided I need a London accent to find my way. Kate now says "Go strai on". Kate used to sound like a genteel granny. I miss her.

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    fy20
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:29 am

    I had a really interesting situation a couple of decades ago when I was studying. I grew up in a rural part of the UK in the South West. The nearest train station was just over the county border, around 20 miles away.

    One day I was waiting for the train, and there were two men talking: a vicar and his friend – both in their 50s. Clearly from that area. Even though I'd grown up in an area with a similar accent – less than 20 miles away – I could not understand a word they were saying.

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    paulnpace
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:49 am

    Which is the accent where 80% of consonants and 1/3 of vowels are pronounced like a hard "ff"? I associate it with Manks, but I'm just a Yank so what do I really know.

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    croemer
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:57 am

    The names of dialects aren't super useful to people who aren't from the UK. Also, dialects often are continua, so drawing borders without any sort of hierarchy to indicate closeness is quite pointless.

    What would be cool if one could click on each dialect/region and hear a few words spoken in that dialect.

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    tbjgolden
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:57 am

    Tbh I was worried when I saw this title but its not bad

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    croemer
    Posted April 19, 2025 at 11:59 am

    Here is the equivalent map for German: https://language.mki.wisc.edu/essays/high-and-low-german/

    Here's a similar one from Wikipedia that includes Dutch dialects as an example of dialect continuum: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialektkontinuum#/media/Datei:… probably based on this historical map: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/11kvga1/an_1894_ma…

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