Know the difference between big-shot news agency journalism and small-scale journalism? The latter links to the exact resource that is the source to establish their credibility. The former relies on its brand and treats the source URL as a trade secret.
So tired of this. How do we get out of this? Regulations?
Does anyone have a link to the actual court order?
>>>It's bad for our products and for our European users. We will continue to work with the European Commission to help them understand our concerns on behalf of our users,
… surely consumers don't like interoperability on hardware or software. They like to get locked in(i.e. use a different charger for each single device and use their devices only with apple services<i.e. iCloud>).
I think Apple should correct that statement into " We will continue to work with the European Commission to help them understand our concerns on behalf of our *shareholders*".
Is there a location for the actual order? The linked article doesn't have a link to the order (SHAME Reuters) and the details on the actual order are sparse.
This brings back memories of the bad old days on Microsoft Windows where only Microsoft applications had access to secret APIs. Nobody defended MS back then. Surprised to see comments defending Apple now.
I imagine this was already in the works before the recent prison shanking of transatlantic relations.
Get ready for a raft of new and extremely principled anti-monopoly regulations from former allies, I'm sure they're just getting started on writing those.
I wish the EU was a little less short sighted with this regulation.
It's completely fair to request that Apple provide APIs for interoperability purposes. And these requests obviously need to come initially from third party hardware developers.
But there needs to be some mechanism for protecting the privacy and security of users that is evaluated by experts and not EU regulators. It's very obvious that companies e.g. Meta are trying to abuse the DMA in order to try to get more user data and not for interoperability purposes. And it's not what the world needs right now.
> "Today's decisions wrap us in red tape, slowing down Apple's ability to innovate for users in Europe" the company said in an email.
Authored by Apple Intelligence? Certainly enough training material exists, considering all prior statements bemoaning the EU/EC. Here's Apple sounding the alarm on the evils of USB-C [0]
"When it was introduced in September 2021, an Apple representative told BBC News: "Strict regulation mandating just one type of connector stifles innovation rather than encouraging it, which in turn will harm consumers in Europe and around the world."
Well played by Apple, I guess. I really thought there would have been consequences for so blatantly ignoring the DMA. Instead they got to do so for over a year for absolutely free, and since I'm seeing no kind of timeline for implementation of this decision, I'm guessing that Apple managed to squeeze out an extra 18-24 months of benefit from the uneven playing field.
There were no monetary penalties for doing that. The measures imposed appear to not be onerous in any way, but the pure minimum that Apple would have needed to do from the start. If this is the way DMA is going to be enforced, why would any company try to be compliant in good faith?
I am suddenly seeing why EU has many fewer startups than US. Get successful enough and you are forced to give your work away to everyone. What clearly took millions of hours of work to perfect becomes public property with no compensation to you. Why is AirDrop better than Android Beam? Probably much work on polishing and designing it right. It uses a very clever custom peer-to-peer wifi mode that "magically" coexists with existing WiFi connectivity to make it work in all cases, something google never invented, Apple did. And yet… now Apple is forced to give the design away (because interop requires implementing the same design on both side).
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15 Comments
lysace
Know the difference between big-shot news agency journalism and small-scale journalism? The latter links to the exact resource that is the source to establish their credibility. The former relies on its brand and treats the source URL as a trade secret.
So tired of this. How do we get out of this? Regulations?
Does anyone have a link to the actual court order?
eknkc
[flagged]
throw0101d
https://archive.is/https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-…
https://archive.is/ZICMb
thefounder
>>>It's bad for our products and for our European users. We will continue to work with the European Commission to help them understand our concerns on behalf of our users,
… surely consumers don't like interoperability on hardware or software. They like to get locked in(i.e. use a different charger for each single device and use their devices only with apple services<i.e. iCloud>).
I think Apple should correct that statement into " We will continue to work with the European Commission to help them understand our concerns on behalf of our *shareholders*".
distortedsignal
Is there a location for the actual order? The linked article doesn't have a link to the order (SHAME Reuters) and the details on the actual order are sparse.
bri3d
Here are the actual instructions: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_…
https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2…
https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2…
DavideNL
For reference:
https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/1141899339…
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_…
_ink_
Guess, that's good news for repebble users in the EU.
Re: Post from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43401245
spogbiper
This brings back memories of the bad old days on Microsoft Windows where only Microsoft applications had access to secret APIs. Nobody defended MS back then. Surprised to see comments defending Apple now.
mullingitover
I imagine this was already in the works before the recent prison shanking of transatlantic relations.
Get ready for a raft of new and extremely principled anti-monopoly regulations from former allies, I'm sure they're just getting started on writing those.
threeseed
I wish the EU was a little less short sighted with this regulation.
It's completely fair to request that Apple provide APIs for interoperability purposes. And these requests obviously need to come initially from third party hardware developers.
But there needs to be some mechanism for protecting the privacy and security of users that is evaluated by experts and not EU regulators. It's very obvious that companies e.g. Meta are trying to abuse the DMA in order to try to get more user data and not for interoperability purposes. And it's not what the world needs right now.
rchaud
> "Today's decisions wrap us in red tape, slowing down Apple's ability to innovate for users in Europe" the company said in an email.
Authored by Apple Intelligence? Certainly enough training material exists, considering all prior statements bemoaning the EU/EC. Here's Apple sounding the alarm on the evils of USB-C [0]
"When it was introduced in September 2021, an Apple representative told BBC News: "Strict regulation mandating just one type of connector stifles innovation rather than encouraging it, which in turn will harm consumers in Europe and around the world."
[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66708571
jsnell
Well played by Apple, I guess. I really thought there would have been consequences for so blatantly ignoring the DMA. Instead they got to do so for over a year for absolutely free, and since I'm seeing no kind of timeline for implementation of this decision, I'm guessing that Apple managed to squeeze out an extra 18-24 months of benefit from the uneven playing field.
There were no monetary penalties for doing that. The measures imposed appear to not be onerous in any way, but the pure minimum that Apple would have needed to do from the start. If this is the way DMA is going to be enforced, why would any company try to be compliant in good faith?
dmitrygr
I am suddenly seeing why EU has many fewer startups than US. Get successful enough and you are forced to give your work away to everyone. What clearly took millions of hours of work to perfect becomes public property with no compensation to you. Why is AirDrop better than Android Beam? Probably much work on polishing and designing it right. It uses a very clever custom peer-to-peer wifi mode that "magically" coexists with existing WiFi connectivity to make it work in all cases, something google never invented, Apple did. And yet… now Apple is forced to give the design away (because interop requires implementing the same design on both side).
Blackstrat
Apple should withdraw from the EU’s market. Apple’s closed ecosystem is why I use them. Open it up and Apple users are screwed.