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The Origin of the Pork Taboo by diodorus

The Origin of the Pork Taboo by diodorus

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    bejdofk
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 1:37 pm

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    satellite2
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 1:43 pm

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    MrMcCall
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 1:53 pm

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    conorjh
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 1:59 pm

    its just people having feelies. then they justify it with ad-hoc thinkies, and when those inevitably crumble under scrutiny, its because god said so. and also we'll kill ya because you dont agree.

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    lordnacho
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:01 pm

    The article seems to end where it gets interesting.

    Greeks and Romans were associated with pigs, so the Jews decide that not eating pork should be a symbol of national identity. But then it says people continued to eat pork in the area. Why? Islam naturally doesn't like pigs due to geography, but what about the Jews? How does it become pretty much the thing you remember every time you're out with your Jewish friends?

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    poink
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:05 pm

    Adam Ragusea made a pretty good video about this a few years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sew4rctKghY

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    btbuildem
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:08 pm

    I've always imagined the taboo originated in some practical reasons (like "pork spoils really quickly in the heat"), but or course that's simplistic, and trying to approach religious things with reasoned explanations is a fool's errand.

    This article's take is interesting: economic, environmental and cultural factors that gradually became codified as religious identity markers. The tribality of this tracks, the "us" vs "them" has always been and always will be, and people pick the most random things to differentiate the "us" from "them". It makes perfect sense that these desert tribes, indistinguishable cousins basically, would end up differentiating on something so arbitrary.

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    MarkusWandel
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:18 pm

    I've always assumed that it's because pigs will eat human excrement. The article kind of, sort of, brushes on that. And that's gross and might be just the thing to push pork from a marginalized, lower class food to outright prohibited.

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    thrwwy001
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:25 pm

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    jmclnx
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:28 pm

    I stand corrected, I was thinking some powerful ruler(s) did not like pork, thus the taboo.

    But seems I was way off, seems many possible reasons emerged and eventually politics may be the reinforcement that made it permanent.

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    aaron695
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:30 pm

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    stared
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 2:36 pm

    Also, I highly recommend this Kurzgesagt video on how paying just a bit more for meat or eggs drastically improves animals' living conditions:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk

    Additionally, while (pun intended) I am not religious about this, I try to avoid eating pork – as pigs are among the smartest animals humans eat (with intelligence comparable to dogs). For a similar reason, I avoid eating octopuses as well.

    Also, as a rule of thumb, "less meat is nearly always better than sustainable meat, to reduce your carbon footprint", https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat.

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    jrd259
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 3:26 pm

    In his book Cows, Pugs, Wars and Witches the anthropologist Marvin Harris tries to ground the pig taboo as a protection against the tragedy of the commons. As per Harris, pigs require excessive water, a scarce resource in the region. A flat ban on consuming pigs reduces the chance that people will divert water to pigs. The article hints at this where it calls the pig "an animal unfit for the harsh terrain and dry climate".

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    FergusArgyll
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 3:48 pm

    The problem with this line of thinking is that – in Judaism at least – Pigs aren't special. Anything without split hooves or doesn't chew it's cud is prohibited. Pigs, Camels, Rabbits and the Hare (last 2 are speculative translations) are the only ones mentioned because they have one quality but not the other.

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    devJdeed
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 3:57 pm

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    calebm
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    My grandparents are mostly vegetarian, but not for religious or ethical reasons. I asked her about it, and she said that her parents used to raise pigs, and she said she just couldn't get over the smell.

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    kmeisthax
    Posted March 19, 2025 at 4:30 pm

    At this point, Leviticus seems like someone took a bunch of classical Levantine culture war grievances against the Greeks and Romans and just snuck them straight into the Bible.

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